[alsa-devel] Hercules P32 DJ: severe sound distortion during MIDI transfers

Takashi Iwai tiwai at suse.de
Fri Mar 22 16:14:23 CET 2019


On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:05:17 +0100,
Guido Trentalancia wrote:
> 
> I suppose the Fedora 29 kernels are included in the range I tested as broken,
> i.e. 4.12 -- 5.0.
> 
> So, there is something triggering it on my system and not the other, maybe the
> USB system as pointed out by Clemens.

You can try different USB ports, too, e.g. if there are both USB 3.0
and 2.0 ports.

> I'll make some research on the two USB systems...
> 
> I would also like to try USB Audio driver from kernel 3.0.1.
> 
> What else do you suggest?

If any, the problem is rather about the USB core side (likely the host
driver), not the USB audio driver.  I can imagine some bandwidth
management or iosc transfer problem.


Takashi

> 
> Guido
> 
> Il 22 marzo 2019 15:58:23 CET, Takashi Iwai <tiwai at suse.de> ha scritto:
> 
>     On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 15:54:03 +0100,
>     Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>          
>          As already explained, I have tested the following kernels:
>          
>          - kernel 5.0.2 -----> BROKEN
>          - kernel 4.17.10 --> BROKEN
>          - kernel 4.12.9 ---> BROKEN
>          
>          So, it's been around for very long.
>          
>          What do you suggest doing?
>     
>     But which kernel is used for another user who can use without the
>     problem?  I suppose they use the recent kernel with Fedora?
>     
>          I have found reports on the web about similar problems (with other audio
>          interfaces) with kernels>3.0.0.
>     
>     Such a regression should have been reported earlier, otherwise it
>     becomes more and
>     more difficult to catch up...
> 
>     thanks,
>     
>     Takashi
> 
>          Regards,
>          
>          Guido
>          
>          Il 22 marzo 2019 15:47:36 CET, Takashi Iwai <tiwai at suse.de> ha scritto:
>          
>              On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:44:48 +0100,
>              Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>                   
>                   Hello Takashi.
>                   
>                   I have carried out the test that you proposed...
>                   
>                   My reply follows your quoted text.
>                   
>                   On Fri, 22/03/2019 at 11.12 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>                       On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:04:01 +0100,
>                       Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>                           
>                           Hello Takashi,
>                           
>                           I am using the latest version of everything, including kernel and
>                          
>         ALSA
>                           userspace library / tools.
>                           
>                           The other user has exactly the same hardware and has tested same
>                           firmware
>                           (both 1.36 and latest
>                          1.46), but with Fedora 29 and it is working.
>                           
>                           Perhaps Fedora 29 has a different version of the ALSA library, I
>                           will find
>                           out, try to downgrade, test again and report back.
>                       
>                       Yes, that'd be really helpful.  If aligning the software doesn't fix
>                       the issue, it's either because of the hardware or the difference of
>                       usage patterns.
>                   
>                   I have tested exactly the same ALSA userspace library and plugins
>                   distributed by Fedora 29 and it does NOT work !
>                   
>                   As already explained, the usage pattern is
>         exactly the same between me
>                   and the user which is not experiencing this severe problem.
>                   
>                   Also, the hardware is the same: Hercules P32 DJ (with exactly the same
>                   firmware version 1.46 which is the latest).
>                   
>                   So, the conclusion is that it must be a kernel bug ! I was expecting
>                   this, as already pointed out in previous messages.
>              
>              Did you test the
>              very same kernel, too?  Without that confirmation, no
>              one can conclude that at all...
>              
>              If the kernel makes difference, you can try identify which kernel
>              version starts showing the problem, and at best, do git bisection.
>          
>              thanks,
>              
>              Takashi
>          
>                   Can you please help me fix this bug since you wrote the driver and/or
>                   are maintaining it ?
>                   
>                   Thanks,
> 
>         Guido
>                   
>                       thanks,
>                       
>                       Takashi
>          
>                           Guido
>                           
>                           Il 22 marzo 2019 10:53:11 CET, Takashi Iwai <tiwai at suse.de> ha
>                           scritto:
>                           
>                               On Fri, 22 Mar 2019
>                          10:17:17 +0100,
>                               Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>                                    
>                                    It cannot be a firmware bug, as you say, because:
>                                    
>                                    - it does NOT happen on Windows!
>                               
>                               It doesn't mean that the device behaves correctly as
>                           advertised.
>                               
>                                    - it does NOT even always happen on Linux: other users
>                           (with different kernel
>                                    / ALSA
>         library) are not experiencing the same problem;
>                                    - it happens with several firmware versions, including the
>                           latest one (1.36
>                                    and 1.46).
>                                    
>                                    So it is either a bug in ALSA kernel driver, USB sound
>                           driver (more likely) or
>                                    ALSA library.
>                                    
>                                    Now, you are in charge of the USB sound driver, can you
>                           please double check??
>                               
>                               If it doesn't happen for other users with the very same device,
>                           you'd
>                               need to identify what's the difference
>                          between your case and
>                           others.
>                               For example, if the difference of alsa-lib matters, you can try
>                    
>               the
>                               very same condition.
>                               
>                               This kind of bug can't be easily debugged without the actual
>                               hardware, unfortunately.
>                           
>                               Takashi
>                           
>                                    Regards,
>                                    
>                                    Guido
>                                    
>                                    Il 22 marzo 2019 09:55:52 CET, Takashi Iwai <tiwai at suse.de
>                               ha scritto:
>                                    
>                                        On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 23:27:46 +0100,
>                                        Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>                                             
>                                             I wonder if this might be due to a bug in the
>                           "USB Audio Driver for Alsa"?
> 
>                             https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/t
>                           orvalds/linux.git/tree/sound/usb
>                                             
>                                             https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/t
>                           iwai/sound.git/tree/sound/usb
>                                        
>                                        More likely a buggy firmware of your USB audio device
>                           :)
>                                        
>                                         From the driver implementation POV, both audio and
>                           MIDI devices are
>                                        handled by individual endpoints, hence they shouldn't
>                           conflict.
>                                        
>                                        Or another possibility would be some USB
>         host side
>                           issue like the
>                                        bandwidth.  But
>                                        it's a MIDI stream that is very low data rate, so this
>                                        sounds also unlikely...
>                                    
>                                        thanks,
>          
>                           Takashi
>                                    
>                                             Guido
>                                             
>                                                 On the 20th of March 2019 at 21.47 Guido
>                                   Trentalancia
>                                                 <guido at trentalancia.com wrote:
>                                                
>                                                 Hello.
>                                                
>                                                 I am hitting a very serious bug (ALSA kernel
>                           driver or ALSA library)
>                         
>                                when using the Hercules P32 DJ audio
>                           interface.
>                                                
>                                                 The sound is severely distorted during MIDI
>                           transfers.
>                                                
>                                                 To reproduce:
>                                                
>                                                   + start playing something in a first
>                           console:
>                                                
>                                                 console1# AUDIODEV=hw:2,0 play audio.wav
>                                                
>                                                   + the audio plays fine
>          
>                                                   + now start "amidi" in a second console
>                           while the above track is still
>                                                     playing
> 
>                                                 console2#
>                                            amidi -p hw:2,0,0 -d
>                                                
>                                                   + the sound is now severely distorted
>                           (basically noise, with some
>                                   hard-
>                                                     to-distinguish features resembling the
>                           original track) until "amidi"
>                                                     is
>                                                     interrupted !
> 
> 


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