[alsa-devel] Hercules P32 DJ: severe sound distortion during MIDI transfers

Guido Trentalancia guido at trentalancia.com
Fri Mar 22 16:05:17 CET 2019


I suppose the Fedora 29 kernels are included in the range I tested as broken, i.e. 4.12 -- 5.0.

So, there is something triggering it on my system and not the other, maybe the USB system as pointed out by Clemens.

I'll make some research on the two USB systems...

I would also like to try USB Audio driver from kernel 3.0.1.

What else do you suggest?

Guido

Il 22 marzo 2019 15:58:23 CET, Takashi Iwai <tiwai at suse.de> ha scritto:
>On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 15:54:03 +0100,
>Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>> 
>> As already explained, I have tested the following kernels:
>> 
>> - kernel 5.0.2 -----> BROKEN
>> - kernel 4.17.10 --> BROKEN
>> - kernel 4.12.9 ---> BROKEN
>> 
>> So, it's been around for very long.
>> 
>> What do you suggest doing?
>
>But which kernel is used for another user who can use without the
>problem?  I suppose they use the recent kernel with Fedora?
>
>> I have found reports on the web about similar problems (with other
>audio
>> interfaces) with kernels>3.0.0.
>
>Such a regression should have been reported earlier, otherwise it
>becomes more and more difficult to catch up...
>
>
>thanks,
>
>Takashi
>
>
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Guido
>> 
>> Il 22 marzo 2019 15:47:36 CET, Takashi Iwai <tiwai at suse.de> ha
>scritto:
>> 
>>     On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:44:48 +0100,
>>     Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>>          
>>          Hello Takashi.
>>          
>>          I have carried out the test that you proposed...
>>          
>>          My reply follows your quoted text.
>>          
>>          On Fri, 22/03/2019 at 11.12 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>              On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:04:01 +0100,
>>              Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>>                  
>>                  Hello Takashi,
>>                  
>>                  I am using the latest version of everything,
>including kernel and
>>                  ALSA
>>                  userspace library / tools.
>>                  
>>                  The other user has exactly the same hardware and has
>tested same
>>                  firmware
>>                  (both 1.36 and latest
>>                 1.46), but with Fedora 29 and it is working.
>>                  
>>                  Perhaps Fedora 29 has a different version of the
>ALSA library, I
>>                  will find
>>                  out, try to downgrade, test again and report back.
>>              
>>              Yes, that'd be really helpful.  If aligning the software
>doesn't fix
>>              the issue, it's either because of the hardware or the
>difference of
>>              usage patterns.
>>          
>>          I have tested exactly the same ALSA userspace library and
>plugins
>>          distributed by Fedora 29 and it does NOT work !
>>          
>>          As already explained, the usage pattern is exactly the same
>between me
>>          and the user which is not experiencing this severe problem.
>>          
>>          Also, the hardware is the same: Hercules P32 DJ (with
>exactly the same
>>          firmware version 1.46 which is the latest).
>>          
>>          So, the conclusion is that it must be a kernel bug ! I was
>expecting
>>          this, as already pointed out in previous messages.
>>     
>>     Did you test the
>>     very same kernel, too?  Without that confirmation, no
>>     one can conclude that at all...
>>     
>>     If the kernel makes difference, you can try identify which kernel
>>     version starts showing the problem, and at best, do git
>bisection.
>> 
>>     thanks,
>>     
>>     Takashi
>> 
>>          Can you please help me fix this bug since you wrote the
>driver and/or
>>          are maintaining it ?
>>          
>>          Thanks,
>>          
>>          Guido
>>          
>>              thanks,
>>              
>>              Takashi
>> 
>>                  Guido
>>                  
>>                  Il 22 marzo 2019 10:53:11 CET, Takashi Iwai
><tiwai at suse.de> ha
>>                  scritto:
>>                  
>>                      On Fri, 22 Mar 2019
>>                 10:17:17 +0100,
>>                      Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>>                           
>>                           It cannot be a firmware bug, as you say,
>because:
>>                           
>>                           - it does NOT happen on Windows!
>>                      
>>                      It doesn't mean that the device behaves
>correctly as
>>                  advertised.
>>                      
>>                           - it does NOT even always happen on Linux:
>other users
>>                  (with different kernel
>>                           / ALSA library) are not experiencing the
>same problem;
>>                           - it happens with several firmware
>versions, including the
>>                  latest one (1.36
>>                           and 1.46).
>>                           
>>                           So it is either a bug in ALSA kernel
>driver, USB sound
>>                  driver (more likely) or
>>                           ALSA library.
>>                           
>>                           Now, you are in charge of the USB sound
>driver, can you
>>                  please double check??
>>                      
>>                      If it doesn't happen for other users with the
>very same device,
>>                  you'd
>>                      need to identify what's the difference
>>                 between your case and
>>                  others.
>>                      For example, if the difference of alsa-lib
>matters, you can try
>>                  the
>>                      very same condition.
>>                      
>>                      This kind of bug can't be easily debugged
>without the actual
>>                      hardware, unfortunately.
>>                  
>>                      Takashi
>>                  
>>                           Regards,
>>                           
>>                           Guido
>>                           
>>                           Il 22 marzo 2019 09:55:52 CET, Takashi Iwai
><tiwai at suse.de
>>                      ha scritto:
>>                           
>>                               On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 23:27:46 +0100,
>>                               Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>>                                    
>>                                    I wonder if this might be due to a
>bug in the
>>                  "USB Audio Driver for Alsa"?
>>                                    
>>                                   
>https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/t
>>                  orvalds/linux.git/tree/sound/usb
>>                                    
>>                                   
>https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/t
>>                  iwai/sound.git/tree/sound/usb
>>                               
>>                               More likely a buggy firmware of your
>USB audio device
>>                  :)
>>                               
>>                                From the driver implementation POV,
>both audio and
>>                  MIDI devices are
>>                               handled by individual endpoints, hence
>they shouldn't
>>                  conflict.
>>                               
>>                               Or another possibility would be some
>USB host side
>>                  issue like the
>>                               bandwidth.  But
>>                               it's a MIDI stream that is very low
>data rate, so this
>>                               sounds also unlikely...
>>                           
>>                               thanks,
>> 
>>                  Takashi
>>                           
>>                                    Guido
>>                                    
>>                                        On the 20th of March 2019 at
>21.47 Guido
>>                          Trentalancia
>>                                        <guido at trentalancia.com wrote:
>>                                       
>>                                        Hello.
>>                                       
>>                                        I am hitting a very serious
>bug (ALSA kernel
>>                  driver or ALSA library)
>>                                        when using the Hercules P32 DJ
>audio
>>                  interface.
>>                                       
>>                                        The sound is severely
>distorted during MIDI
>>                  transfers.
>>                                       
>>                                        To reproduce:
>>                                       
>>                                          + start playing something in
>a first
>>                  console:
>>                                       
>>                                        console1# AUDIODEV=hw:2,0 play
>audio.wav
>>                                       
>>                                          + the audio plays fine
>> 
>>                                          + now start "amidi" in a
>second console
>>                  while the above track is still
>>                                            playing
>>                                           
>>                                        console2#
>>                                   amidi -p hw:2,0,0 -d
>>                                       
>>                                          + the sound is now severely
>distorted
>>                  (basically noise, with some
>>                          hard-
>>                                            to-distinguish features
>resembling the
>>                  original track) until "amidi"
>>                                            is
>>                                            interrupted !
>> 
>> 


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