[alsa-devel] Will the real alsa wiki please stand up?
There something at:
http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
which thinks it's the alsa wiki, and there something at:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Main_Page
which alsa thinks it's the alsa wiki.
Well, devs, which is the imposter? And would it be a good idea to reduce the number of distinct alsa wikis to something smaller, perhaps "1"?
Jaime :-)
PS: apologies to "To Tell the Truth".
Hi!
If you had read carefully what the main page of alsa.opensrc.org sais, you'd know that this is an unofficial wiki. The story of the other wiki is bit harder to find, but if you want, you can read it at
http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2007-April/000412.html
The basic of the story is, that it has been created maybe two months ago by official ALSA developpers to replace the official ALSA web site, which was difficult to maintain and to keep up to date. The thing is, that only a few people seem to care that much that they would help to transfer content from the web site to the new wiki (thanks a lot to those who do care!). Feel free to contribute :-)
Anyway, I totally agree with you that having one single wiki would be a lot better for everybody. Again, the problem is, that the merging has to be done by someone and this means work.
Regards, Ingo
j t schrieb:
There something at:
http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
which thinks it's the alsa wiki, and there something at:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Main_Page
which alsa thinks it's the alsa wiki.
Well, devs, which is the imposter? And would it be a good idea to reduce the number of distinct alsa wikis to something smaller, perhaps "1"?
Jaime :-)
PS: apologies to "To Tell the Truth".
On 5/26/07, Ingo Müller alsa@ingomueller.net wrote:
Hi!
If you had read carefully what the main page of alsa.opensrc.org sais, you'd know that this is an unofficial wiki.
Oops - my bad. Sorry...
The story of the other wiki is bit harder to find, but if you want, you can read it at
http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2007-April/000412.html
The basic of the story is, that it has been created maybe two months ago by official ALSA developpers to replace the official ALSA web site, which was difficult to maintain and to keep up to date. The thing is, that only a few people seem to care that much that they would help to transfer content from the web site to the new wiki (thanks a lot to those who do care!). Feel free to contribute :-)
I will, just as soon as I work out which of the two wikis I should be contributing to...
Anyway, I totally agree with you that having one single wiki would be a lot better for everybody. Again, the problem is, that the merging has to be done by someone and this means work.
I could be wrong (that's my normal disclaimer out of the way), but surely the effort of merging would seem to be futile if the majority of edits subsequently go to the "wrong" wiki (I'm talking here from a practical viewpoint).
Does anyone know if the people who maintain the "unofficial" wiki would be offended/"put up resistance"/disagree if their wiki were "superceded"? If no, a note could be added to the unofficial about the new "official" one (it's interesting to note that the unofficial wiki doesn't mention the official one at all, although that could just be a lack of resources, rather than something intentional).
I hope that at least some of this makes sense...
Jaime
Hi!
Being one of the wiki sysops and certainly the most contributing user of the last half year, I would not only "not put resistance", but greatly appriciate if the two wiki were merged. I started to work on the wiki, because I wasn't happy with ALSA's documentation and especially that it was splattered all over the internet instead of being concentrated on its official web site. Therefore I welcome anything that improves this miss-situation.
I don't know what the main administrator and creator of the wiki would say, though. We should probably just ask him what he thinks of this idea. His name is Mark Constable and you can contact him through his user page of the wiki at
http://alsa.opensrc.org/User_talk:Markc
In the meantime, as a personal opinion, I'd contribute to the unofficial wiki. It largely beats the new wiki in matters of popularity and completeness. Anyway, it doesn't matter that much, were you contribute, because everything can be copied from one wiki to the other once we decided how to proceed further...
If you do want to contribute to the new wiki, you should have a look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/ALSA:Community_Portal. There is an (unordered) todo list and discussions about the wiki. Feel free to add more points to the list and share ideas about the wiki :-)
Greets, Ingo
j t schrieb:
On 5/26/07, Ingo Müller alsa@ingomueller.net wrote:
Hi!
If you had read carefully what the main page of alsa.opensrc.org sais, you'd know that this is an unofficial wiki.
Oops - my bad. Sorry...
The story of the other wiki is bit harder to find, but if you want, you can read it at
http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2007-April/000412.html
The basic of the story is, that it has been created maybe two months ago by official ALSA developpers to replace the official ALSA web site, which was difficult to maintain and to keep up to date. The thing is, that only a few people seem to care that much that they would help to transfer content from the web site to the new wiki (thanks a lot to those who do care!). Feel free to contribute :-)
I will, just as soon as I work out which of the two wikis I should be contributing to...
Anyway, I totally agree with you that having one single wiki would be a lot better for everybody. Again, the problem is, that the merging has to be done by someone and this means work.
I could be wrong (that's my normal disclaimer out of the way), but surely the effort of merging would seem to be futile if the majority of edits subsequently go to the "wrong" wiki (I'm talking here from a practical viewpoint).
Does anyone know if the people who maintain the "unofficial" wiki would be offended/"put up resistance"/disagree if their wiki were "superceded"? If no, a note could be added to the unofficial about the new "official" one (it's interesting to note that the unofficial wiki doesn't mention the official one at all, although that could just be a lack of resources, rather than something intentional).
I hope that at least some of this makes sense...
Jaime
On 5/27/07, Ingo Müller alsa@ingomueller.net wrote:
Hi!
Being one of the wiki sysops and certainly the most contributing user of the last half year, I would not only "not put resistance", but greatly appriciate if the two wiki were merged.
I've been looking into this a little more, and I've just found out that the official alsa wiki contains 20 articles, while the unofficial wiki contains 602 articles. Unless somebody can machine-merge these two wikis together, surely it would be a better idea (less effort!) to copy the contents of the official into the unofficial, and then transfer the whole unofficial one over to the official domain.
Am I missing something obvious? (Is there a reason why the new official wiki was created "blank", rather than with a dump from the unofficial one)?
Jaime
On 5/30/07, j t mark473@gmail.com wrote:
Am I missing something obvious? (Is there a reason why the new official wiki was created "blank", rather than with a dump from the unofficial one)?
Possibly because most of the information in the unofficial wiki is incorrect and/or outdated. For example, last time I checked it still said you have to manually configure dmix for most cards which has not been the case for at least a year.
Lee
At Wed, 30 May 2007 20:29:53 +0100, j t wrote:
On 5/27/07, Ingo Müller alsa@ingomueller.net wrote:
Hi!
Being one of the wiki sysops and certainly the most contributing user of the last half year, I would not only "not put resistance", but greatly appriciate if the two wiki were merged.
I've been looking into this a little more, and I've just found out that the official alsa wiki contains 20 articles, while the unofficial wiki contains 602 articles. Unless somebody can machine-merge these two wikis together, surely it would be a better idea (less effort!) to copy the contents of the official into the unofficial, and then transfer the whole unofficial one over to the official domain.
Hm, transfering the whole data between different Wikis isn't always easy especially when they use different wiki backend. So, I guess it won't decrease the effort but requires copying twice.
Am I missing something obvious? (Is there a reason why the new official wiki was created "blank", rather than with a dump from the unofficial one)?
The primary purpose of the official wiki is to replace the whole old www.alsa-project.org pages. Yes, eventually we can merge the information from unofficial wiki but we should do carefuly with confirmation of validity of the contents. In both www.alsa-project.org and alsa.opensrc.org, many many information are rotten and obsoleted. We'd need clean ups at first...
Anyway, volunteers are greatly apreciated. It's a Wiki, and you are free to edit! :)
Takashi
On Sat, 26 May 2007, j t wrote:
There something at:
http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
which thinks it's the alsa wiki, and there something at:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Main_Page
which alsa thinks it's the alsa wiki.
Well, devs, which is the imposter? And would it be a good idea to reduce the number of distinct alsa wikis to something smaller, perhaps "1"?
Official ALSA wiki is using official ALSA domain. The wiki at opensrc.org is unofficial (and it's stated there on first page).
Jaroslav
----- Jaroslav Kysela perex@suse.cz Linux Kernel Sound Maintainer ALSA Project, SUSE Labs
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