[alsa-devel] Packages 1.0.30 - release pending
Hi all,
I would like to release 1.0.30 version of all packages. Things to discuss:
1) tinycompress - do the release this library, too ? - versioning - follow the rule for all other ALSA packages (all packages have same version) ?
2) user-space versioning - change the numbering scheme ?
Basically, there aren't major rewrites of API last years and it won't probably happen quickly. Some APIs might be redesigned - simplified (mostly the mixer stuff), but I would propose to go from 1.0.x to 1.x numbering (starting with 1.1) and when a major rewrite of API will be included, we may change the first (major) version number. The release frequency is not high, so it won't hurt anything in my eyes. Comments, objections ? This discussion may end with 1.1 release instead 1.0.30.
Thanks, Jaroslav
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:08:01 +0200, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to release 1.0.30 version of all packages. Things to discuss:
There are pending issues: one is about the topology ABI and this seems still in flux. I suppose this will be stabilized in 4.4. Also, the documentation for BAT is utterly missing, and I expect we'll get this soonish. Liam, Mengdong, any comments on these?
We've discussed a bit about the user-space package release in the meeting. Most people prefer more regular release. My own preference is to stick with the kernel release cycle -- as most of features are related with the update of kernel ABI. It's not necessarily at every kernel but, e.g. with two kernel releases, so that we'll get two or three releases per year. It's just my $0.02, not insisting on it, though.
- tinycompress
- do the release this library, too ?
Yeah, this was requested in the meething, too.
- versioning - follow the rule for all other ALSA packages (all packages have same version) ?
Vinod?
user-space versioning - change the numbering scheme ?
Basically, there aren't major rewrites of API last years and it won't
probably happen quickly. Some APIs might be redesigned - simplified (mostly the mixer stuff), but I would propose to go from 1.0.x to 1.x numbering (starting with 1.1) and when a major rewrite of API will be included, we may change the first (major) version number. The release frequency is not high, so it won't hurt anything in my eyes. Comments, objections ? This discussion may end with 1.1 release instead 1.0.30.
Honestly speaking, not many people do care about the version number nowadays as long as it increases :) But yes, I find your proposal good. A minor update between regular release may still get a version number like 1.3.1, instead of the current 1.0.28a.
thanks,
Takashi
On Mon, 2015-10-12 at 10:24 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:08:01 +0200, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to release 1.0.30 version of all packages. Things to discuss:
There are pending issues: one is about the topology ABI and this seems still in flux. I suppose this will be stabilized in 4.4. Also, the documentation for BAT is utterly missing, and I expect we'll get this soonish. Liam, Mengdong, any comments on these?
We've discussed a bit about the user-space package release in the meeting. Most people prefer more regular release. My own preference is to stick with the kernel release cycle -- as most of features are related with the update of kernel ABI. It's not necessarily at every kernel but, e.g. with two kernel releases, so that we'll get two or three releases per year. It's just my $0.02, not insisting on it, though.
- tinycompress
- do the release this library, too ?
Yeah, this was requested in the meething, too.
Thanks that will be great..
- versioning - follow the rule for all other ALSA packages (all packages have same version) ?
Vinod?
Sure, so you guys want me to bump up the version to 1.0.30. I don't think that should be an issue to align?
Also Takashi was mentioning tar balls, do you need me to generate these and upload ?
Dne 12.10.2015 v 10:56 Koul, Vinod napsal(a):
On Mon, 2015-10-12 at 10:24 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:08:01 +0200, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to release 1.0.30 version of all packages. Things to discuss:
There are pending issues: one is about the topology ABI and this seems still in flux. I suppose this will be stabilized in 4.4. Also, the documentation for BAT is utterly missing, and I expect we'll get this soonish. Liam, Mengdong, any comments on these?
We've discussed a bit about the user-space package release in the meeting. Most people prefer more regular release. My own preference is to stick with the kernel release cycle -- as most of features are related with the update of kernel ABI. It's not necessarily at every kernel but, e.g. with two kernel releases, so that we'll get two or three releases per year. It's just my $0.02, not insisting on it, though.
- tinycompress
- do the release this library, too ?
Yeah, this was requested in the meething, too.
Thanks that will be great..
- versioning - follow the rule for all other ALSA packages (all packages have same version) ?
Vinod?
Sure, so you guys want me to bump up the version to 1.0.30. I don't think that should be an issue to align?
Ok, fine. I just asked.
Also Takashi was mentioning tar balls, do you need me to generate these and upload ?
I'll generate them using my tools on the server. I also prepare the runtime snapshots - http://www.alsa-project.org/snapshot/ , so you may test the tarbar before it's versioned. I'll post a note when finished.
Jaroslav
On Mon, 2015-10-12 at 10:24 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:08:01 +0200, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to release 1.0.30 version of all packages. Things to discuss:
There are pending issues: one is about the topology ABI and this seems still in flux. I suppose this will be stabilized in 4.4. Also, the documentation for BAT is utterly missing, and I expect we'll get this soonish. Liam, Mengdong, any comments on these?
Han is now back from vacation today and is fixing all review comments (including doing a man page). I'll be involved with grammar checking the man page too as I'm the only native English speaker in the team.
Mengdong is back tomorrow and I think has a couple of topology patches for the parser (to support the new ABI objects).
I think we can probably get both completed by Friday.
Thanks
Liam
We've discussed a bit about the user-space package release in the meeting. Most people prefer more regular release. My own preference is to stick with the kernel release cycle -- as most of features are related with the update of kernel ABI. It's not necessarily at every kernel but, e.g. with two kernel releases, so that we'll get two or three releases per year. It's just my $0.02, not insisting on it, though.
- tinycompress
- do the release this library, too ?
Yeah, this was requested in the meething, too.
- versioning - follow the rule for all other ALSA packages (all packages have same version) ?
Vinod?
user-space versioning - change the numbering scheme ?
Basically, there aren't major rewrites of API last years and it won't
probably happen quickly. Some APIs might be redesigned - simplified (mostly the mixer stuff), but I would propose to go from 1.0.x to 1.x numbering (starting with 1.1) and when a major rewrite of API will be included, we may change the first (major) version number. The release frequency is not high, so it won't hurt anything in my eyes. Comments, objections ? This discussion may end with 1.1 release instead 1.0.30.
Honestly speaking, not many people do care about the version number nowadays as long as it increases :) But yes, I find your proposal good. A minor update between regular release may still get a version number like 1.3.1, instead of the current 1.0.28a.
thanks,
Takashi
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:24:19 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:08:01 +0200, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to release 1.0.30 version of all packages. Things to discuss:
There are pending issues: one is about the topology ABI and this seems still in flux. I suppose this will be stabilized in 4.4. Also, the documentation for BAT is utterly missing, and I expect we'll get this soonish. Liam, Mengdong, any comments on these?
It seems that still topology stuff updates are missing in alsa-lib side. Liam, Mengdong, what's the status? Jaroslav seems lifting up the stuff now, starting tagging v1.1.0.
Unless it's stabilized, we should disable the topology stuff in configure level for alsa-* 1.1.0, IMO.
thanks,
Takashi
On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 16:16 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:24:19 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:08:01 +0200, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to release 1.0.30 version of all packages. Things to discuss:
There are pending issues: one is about the topology ABI and this seems still in flux. I suppose this will be stabilized in 4.4. Also, the documentation for BAT is utterly missing, and I expect we'll get this soonish. Liam, Mengdong, any comments on these?
BAT (stage1) is now upstream including documentation. Caleb and Han are working on new BAT features and these should be part of the 1.0.31 alsa package release.
It seems that still topology stuff updates are missing in alsa-lib side. Liam, Mengdong, what's the status? Jaroslav seems lifting up the stuff now, starting tagging v1.1.0.
Unless it's stabilized, we should disable the topology stuff in configure level for alsa-* 1.1.0, IMO.
I think Mengdong is testing/polishing the final topology patches atm. Mengdong, are we good to start upstreaming soon ?
Liam
Dne 27.10.2015 v 16:27 Liam Girdwood napsal(a):
On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 16:16 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:24:19 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:08:01 +0200, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to release 1.0.30 version of all packages. Things to discuss:
There are pending issues: one is about the topology ABI and this seems still in flux. I suppose this will be stabilized in 4.4. Also, the documentation for BAT is utterly missing, and I expect we'll get this soonish. Liam, Mengdong, any comments on these?
BAT (stage1) is now upstream including documentation. Caleb and Han are working on new BAT features and these should be part of the 1.0.31 alsa package release.
Thanks for the info. Yes, the man page is there. I'm just curious - what features will be added? BTW: 1.0.31 should be 1,1.1 - no more 1.0.x releases. Jaroslav
+ Han and Caleb
On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 17:01 +0100, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Dne 27.10.2015 v 16:27 Liam Girdwood napsal(a):
On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 16:16 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:24:19 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:08:01 +0200, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to release 1.0.30 version of all packages. Things to discuss:
There are pending issues: one is about the topology ABI and this seems still in flux. I suppose this will be stabilized in 4.4. Also, the documentation for BAT is utterly missing, and I expect we'll get this soonish. Liam, Mengdong, any comments on these?
BAT (stage1) is now upstream including documentation. Caleb and Han are working on new BAT features and these should be part of the 1.0.31 alsa package release.
Thanks for the info. Yes, the man page is there. I'm just curious - what features will be added? BTW: 1.0.31 should be 1,1.1 - no more 1.0.x releases. Jaroslav
I think Han will be adding support for Android and some automation scripting, whilst Caleb is adding more audio feature tests.
Liam
-----Original Message----- From: Liam Girdwood [mailto:liam.r.girdwood@linux.intel.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 11:28 PM To: Takashi Iwai
On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 16:16 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:24:19 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:08:01 +0200, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to release 1.0.30 version of all packages. Things to
discuss:
There are pending issues: one is about the topology ABI and this seems still in flux. I suppose this will be stabilized in 4.4. Also, the documentation for BAT is utterly missing, and I expect we'll get this soonish. Liam, Mengdong, any comments on these?
BAT (stage1) is now upstream including documentation. Caleb and Han are working on new BAT features and these should be part of the 1.0.31 alsa package release.
It seems that still topology stuff updates are missing in alsa-lib side. Liam, Mengdong, what's the status? Jaroslav seems lifting up the stuff now, starting tagging v1.1.0.
Unless it's stabilized, we should disable the topology stuff in configure level for alsa-* 1.1.0, IMO.
I think Mengdong is testing/polishing the final topology patches atm. Mengdong, are we good to start upstreaming soon ?
Liam
Hi Liam and Takashi,
For topology, most features for DAI & DAI links have been verified. I'll finish verifying the remaining ops binding features in this week. Then I'll ask Vinod to double check we can meet request for SKL/BXT
Some of the kernel patches will be submitted by end if this week. I expect the other kernel and user space patches will be submitted next week after the internal review.
Thanks Mengdong
Dne 28.10.2015 v 16:06 Lin, Mengdong napsal(a):
I expect the other kernel and user space patches will be submitted next week after the internal review.
Any progress for the user space? If I don't receive the updates for the user space packages until Friday CEST morning, I'll release 1.1.0 without them. We can release 1.1.1 quickly when all things are finished for the topology code. The distributions can adapt to new tools (like alsatplg) in 1.1.0 and then just receive the updated code (1.1.1).
Thanks, Jaroslav
BTW: Everyone probably found testing packages on FTP - /pub/testing or through the snapshot page.
On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Dne 28.10.2015 v 16:06 Lin, Mengdong napsal(a):
I expect the other kernel and user space patches will be submitted next week after the internal review.
Any progress for the user space? If I don't receive the updates for the user space packages until Friday CEST morning, I'll release 1.1.0 without them. We can release 1.1.1 quickly when all things are finished for the topology code. The distributions can adapt to new tools (like alsatplg) in 1.1.0 and then just receive the updated code (1.1.1).
It's all going through internal review and testing now. Mengdong can probably post to the list tomorrow if all is OK, otherwise we can go for 1.1.1.
Thanks
Liam
Thanks, JaroslavBTW: Everyone probably found testing packages on FTP - /pub/testing or through the snapshot page.
-----Original Message----- From: Liam Girdwood [mailto:liam.r.girdwood@linux.intel.com] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:17 AM To: Jaroslav Kysela Cc: Lin, Mengdong; Takashi Iwai; Koul, Vinod; ALSA development Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] Packages 1.0.30 - release pending
On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Dne 28.10.2015 v 16:06 Lin, Mengdong napsal(a):
I expect the other kernel and user space patches will be submitted next week
after the internal review.
Any progress for the user space? If I don't receive the updates for the user space packages until Friday CEST morning, I'll release 1.1.0 without them. We can release 1.1.1 quickly when all things are finished for the topology code. The distributions can adapt to new tools (like alsatplg) in 1.1.0 and then just receive the updated code (1.1.1).
It's all going through internal review and testing now. Mengdong can probably post to the list tomorrow if all is OK, otherwise we can go for 1.1.1.
I think it's better to go for 1.1.1. The internal review is just ongoing.
Thanks Mengdong
Thanks
Liam
Thanks, JaroslavBTW: Everyone probably found testing packages on FTP - /pub/testing or through the snapshot page.
On 11/05/2015 11:08 AM, Lin, Mengdong wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Liam Girdwood [mailto:liam.r.girdwood@linux.intel.com] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:17 AM To: Jaroslav Kysela Cc: Lin, Mengdong; Takashi Iwai; Koul, Vinod; ALSA development Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] Packages 1.0.30 - release pending
On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Dne 28.10.2015 v 16:06 Lin, Mengdong napsal(a):
I expect the other kernel and user space patches will be submitted next week
after the internal review.
Any progress for the user space? If I don't receive the updates for the user space packages until Friday CEST morning, I'll release 1.1.0 without them. We can release 1.1.1 quickly when all things are finished for the topology code. The distributions can adapt to new tools (like alsatplg) in 1.1.0 and then just receive the updated code (1.1.1).
It's all going through internal review and testing now. Mengdong can probably post to the list tomorrow if all is OK, otherwise we can go for 1.1.1.
I've sent out the alsa-lib patches for topology ABI update. Please review.The thread name is "topology: Align ABI with kernel to version 4".
All ABI updates have been merged in sound kernel except this one: topology: ABI - Rename dai_elems to pcm_elems in manifest This patch is still in ASoC kernel, topic/topology branch.
Thanks Mengdong
Dne 5.11.2015 v 14:04 Mengdong Lin napsal(a):
On 11/05/2015 11:08 AM, Lin, Mengdong wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Liam Girdwood [mailto:liam.r.girdwood@linux.intel.com] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:17 AM To: Jaroslav Kysela Cc: Lin, Mengdong; Takashi Iwai; Koul, Vinod; ALSA development Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] Packages 1.0.30 - release pending
On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Dne 28.10.2015 v 16:06 Lin, Mengdong napsal(a):
I expect the other kernel and user space patches will be submitted next week
after the internal review.
Any progress for the user space? If I don't receive the updates for the user space packages until Friday CEST morning, I'll release 1.1.0 without them. We can release 1.1.1 quickly when all things are finished for the topology code. The distributions can adapt to new tools (like alsatplg) in 1.1.0 and then just receive the updated code (1.1.1).
It's all going through internal review and testing now. Mengdong can probably post to the list tomorrow if all is OK, otherwise we can go for 1.1.1.
I've sent out the alsa-lib patches for topology ABI update. Please review.The thread name is "topology: Align ABI with kernel to version 4".
All ABI updates have been merged in sound kernel except this one: topology: ABI - Rename dai_elems to pcm_elems in manifest This patch is still in ASoC kernel, topic/topology branch.
I did a quick review and I've no issue with it.
Takashi, any comments to include these patches ?
Lin, do we need a change to the topology utility in alsa-utils ?
Thanks, Jaroslav
On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:12:45 +0100, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Dne 5.11.2015 v 14:04 Mengdong Lin napsal(a):
On 11/05/2015 11:08 AM, Lin, Mengdong wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Liam Girdwood [mailto:liam.r.girdwood@linux.intel.com] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:17 AM To: Jaroslav Kysela Cc: Lin, Mengdong; Takashi Iwai; Koul, Vinod; ALSA development Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] Packages 1.0.30 - release pending
On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Dne 28.10.2015 v 16:06 Lin, Mengdong napsal(a):
I expect the other kernel and user space patches will be submitted next week
after the internal review.
Any progress for the user space? If I don't receive the updates for the user space packages until Friday CEST morning, I'll release 1.1.0 without them. We can release 1.1.1 quickly when all things are finished for the topology code. The distributions can adapt to new tools (like alsatplg) in 1.1.0 and then just receive the updated code (1.1.1).
It's all going through internal review and testing now. Mengdong can probably post to the list tomorrow if all is OK, otherwise we can go for 1.1.1.
I've sent out the alsa-lib patches for topology ABI update. Please review.The thread name is "topology: Align ABI with kernel to version 4".
All ABI updates have been merged in sound kernel except this one: topology: ABI - Rename dai_elems to pcm_elems in manifest This patch is still in ASoC kernel, topic/topology branch.
I did a quick review and I've no issue with it.
Takashi, any comments to include these patches ?
I'm fine with them. Maybe we need to fix the doxygen errors later, but it's no urgent issue.
BTW, I have 4 pending patches for alsa-lib but haven't committed yet since v1.1.0 was committed and I didn't want to rebase. One dmix fix and three fixes from Mike for non-glibc and other build cleanups. They are no urgent issues, either, so we can postpone them. But if you'd like to merge them beforehand, let me know. I'll push them out.
Takashi
Dne 5.11.2015 v 14:18 Takashi Iwai napsal(a):
BTW, I have 4 pending patches for alsa-lib but haven't committed yet since v1.1.0 was committed and I didn't want to rebase. One dmix fix and three fixes from Mike for non-glibc and other build cleanups. They are no urgent issues, either, so we can postpone them. But if you'd like to merge them beforehand, let me know. I'll push them out.
I removed the v1.1.0 tag and associated commit. Please, push them now.
Thanks, Jaroslav
On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:33:56 +0100, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Dne 5.11.2015 v 14:18 Takashi Iwai napsal(a):
BTW, I have 4 pending patches for alsa-lib but haven't committed yet since v1.1.0 was committed and I didn't want to rebase. One dmix fix and three fixes from Mike for non-glibc and other build cleanups. They are no urgent issues, either, so we can postpone them. But if you'd like to merge them beforehand, let me know. I'll push them out.
I removed the v1.1.0 tag and associated commit. Please, push them now.
Thanks, done.
Takashi
-----Original Message----- From: Jaroslav Kysela [mailto:perex@perex.cz] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:13 PM To: Mengdong Lin; Lin, Mengdong; Liam Girdwood Cc: Takashi Iwai; Koul, Vinod; ALSA development Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] Packages 1.0.30 - release pending
Dne 5.11.2015 v 14:04 Mengdong Lin napsal(a):
On 11/05/2015 11:08 AM, Lin, Mengdong wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Liam Girdwood [mailto:liam.r.girdwood@linux.intel.com] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:17 AM To: Jaroslav Kysela Cc: Lin, Mengdong; Takashi Iwai; Koul, Vinod; ALSA development Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] Packages 1.0.30 - release pending
On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Dne 28.10.2015 v 16:06 Lin, Mengdong napsal(a):
I expect the other kernel and user space patches will be submitted next week
after the internal review.
Any progress for the user space? If I don't receive the updates for the user space packages until Friday CEST morning, I'll release 1.1.0 without them. We can release 1.1.1 quickly when all things are finished for the topology code. The distributions can adapt to new tools (like alsatplg) in 1.1.0 and then just receive the updated code (1.1.1).
It's all going through internal review and testing now. Mengdong can probably post to the list tomorrow if all is OK, otherwise we can go for
1.1.1.
I've sent out the alsa-lib patches for topology ABI update. Please review.The thread name is "topology: Align ABI with kernel to version 4".
All ABI updates have been merged in sound kernel except this one: topology: ABI - Rename dai_elems to pcm_elems in manifest This patch is still in ASoC kernel, topic/topology branch.
I did a quick review and I've no issue with it.
Takashi, any comments to include these patches ?
Lin, do we need a change to the topology utility in alsa-utils ?
No. There is no need to change the topology utility in alsa-utils.
Thanks for your and Takashi's review!
Regards Mengdong
On 11/05/2015 11:08 AM, Lin, Mengdong wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Liam Girdwood [mailto:liam.r.girdwood@linux.intel.com] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:17 AM To: Jaroslav Kysela Cc: Lin, Mengdong; Takashi Iwai; Koul, Vinod; ALSA development Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] Packages 1.0.30 - release pending
On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Dne 28.10.2015 v 16:06 Lin, Mengdong napsal(a):
I expect the other kernel and user space patches will be submitted next week
after the internal review.
Any progress for the user space? If I don't receive the updates for the user space packages until Friday CEST morning, I'll release 1.1.0 without them. We can release 1.1.1 quickly when all things are finished for the topology code. The distributions can adapt to new tools (like alsatplg) in 1.1.0 and then just receive the updated code (1.1.1).
It's all going through internal review and testing now. Mengdong can probably post to the list tomorrow if all is OK, otherwise we can go for 1.1.1.
I think it's better to go for 1.1.1. The internal review is just ongoing.
I've sent out the alsa-lib patches for topology ABI update after the internal review. The thread name is "topology: Align ABI with kernel to version 4". Please help to review and evaluate if it's ok for this 1.1.0 release.
All ABI updates have been merged in sound kernel except this one: topology: ABI - Rename dai_elems to pcm_elems in manifest This patch is still in ASoC kernel, topic/topology branch.
Thanks Mengdong
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