OK, I'll bite, see below.

On Friday 27 July 2007 21:40:09 Takashi Iwai wrote:

At Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:40:45 +1200, Eliot Blennerhassett wrote:

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I'm confused again. Which is the real official wiki? http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page

As far as migrating the website on to this wiki, it would be very helpful to have a list of the source pages and their wiki equivalents that need migrating, otherwise it is very hard for a volunteer to pick a page and do it. E.g. page [[WebMigration]] contains

Volunteers need to migrate these pages. Pick a page below, and create the matching wiki page. Once you have done this, delete the line from here

[http://alsa-project.org/applications.php] [[Applications]] ... etc

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https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=AlsaWiki

This one for developers only, which has been existed since long time ago.

Only the first one is the official wiki. The developers wiki should be gone after migration, IMO. The unofficial Wiki is literally unofficial, which we can do nothing directly. It'd been asked to migrate both of them, but no action has been done yet.

Ingo Mueller wrote:

If you provide a rough plan of how to merge these wikis and you are willing to spent time in its realization, I'm sure that people will greatly appriciate it!

Is there a reason NOT to migrate the 'developers only' wiki on alsa-project.org into the 'official wiki' . Converting from wikkawakka to mediawiki on the way.

If the (currently active) contributors to the developer wiki agreed, I'd be willing to do the grunt work of moving the pages. but the page 'owners' might prefer to do the copy and keep the authorship intact...

JamesCourtierDutton 15 pages LiamGirdwood 2 or 3 pages ClemensLadisch 1 page NormanSchleicher 2 pages JohnUtz 3 pages JaroslavKysela 5 pages

And, in the official wiki, would we want a separate Development: namespace? Something the wiki-master needs to create. or is a Development: category a better way to go.

At the end of this migration, we'd be down to 2 wikis, both MediaWiki, so a future merge would be easier(???) ==================================== Integrating official and unofficial is a bridge to cross...later. However, setting up some interwiki mappings between the 2 would make it easier to crosslink:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Interwiki_linking

cheers .-- Eliot

Hi!

Takashi Iwai schrieb:

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As far as migrating the website on to this wiki, it would be very helpful to have a list of the source pages and their wiki equivalents that need migrating, otherwise it is very hard for a volunteer to pick a page and do it. E.g. page [[WebMigration]] contains

Volunteers need to migrate these pages. Pick a page below, and create the matching wiki page. Once you have done this, delete the line from here

[http://alsa-project.org/applications.php] [[Applications]] ... etc

Yes, that's a good idea. Care to add it on the top?

I agree with that, too. My question: who knows the current ALSA web site well enough to fill this list?

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If the (currently active) contributors to the developer wiki agreed, I'd be willing to do the grunt work of moving the pages.

That'd be greatly appreciated.

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but the page 'owners' might prefer to do the copy and keep the authorship intact...

JamesCourtierDutton 15 pages LiamGirdwood 2 or 3 pages ClemensLadisch 1 page NormanSchleicher 2 pages JohnUtz 3 pages JaroslavKysela 5 pages

Any of you have objections about this? (sorry I couldn't find Norman's address...)

When I moved the unofficial wiki from an old wiki software to a new MediaWiki wiki, we decided that it was not worth the extra effort to keep the authorship intact. Instead, there is a note on the wiki's about page which linked to a mirror of the old wiki.

If it is possible to track down the authors (like you did above), you could also just list them on an extra page (maybe "AlsaWiki:Authors") showing the contributions of these authors to the old wiki. Then, whenever you move a page to the new wiki, you could link to this page in the comment ("Moved from old wiki. For details about authorships see [[AlsaWiki:Authors]].").

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And, in the official wiki, would we want a separate Development: namespace? Something the wiki-master needs to create. or is a Development: category a better way to go.

I think the catgoery should suffice. But I'm no Wiki expert al all, so would like to hear from other skilled guys.

Quote from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace_manager: "Generally, namespaces should not be used to categorize content of the same type -- that is what categories are for." On the other hand, new namespaces should be created, "if you have a type of content which you feel is substantially different from the content in the existing namespaces". Im not sure whether this is the case with the developer content...

Also, there are some technical things that come along with using a namespace:

* A different namespace could have a different visual appearence to be distinguished from other namespace (see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces#Custom_colors_f...)

* A namespace can be searched exclusively which can't be done by a category. Analogicly, the simple search can be set to only search the "Main:" namespace (default) or more namespaces.

The downside of a namespace is, that they can only be configured by administrators (changig config files manually). As this has only to be done once, I think that shouldn't be that much of a problem.

I think, the choise of using a namespace or a category comes down to the question how different the content and its audience is. If it is really different, it should be excluded from the default search (so newbies won't stumble on it by accident), distinguished visually and so on. In that case, a namespace is what we need. If it makes sense to be integrated with the rest of the wiki, a category is the better choise. Unfortunately, I don't know the content of the two wikis well enough to make that choise...

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At the end of this migration, we'd be down to 2 wikis, both MediaWiki, so a future merge would be easier(???)

Indeed, there are in- and export functions since a couple of version of mediawiki.

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==================================== Integrating official and unofficial is a bridge to cross...later. However, setting up some interwiki mappings between the 2 would make it easier to crosslink:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Interwiki_linking

Thanks for the information!

Takashi

I'm happy that someone initiated a discussion on that topic again. Maybe I can get motivated to join the merging process after I finished my exams :-)

Greets, Ingo

On Friday 03 August 2007 00:50:43 Takashi Iwai wrote:

At Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:54:54 +1200,

Eliot Blennerhassett wrote:

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If the (currently active) contributors to the developer wiki agreed, I'd be willing to do the grunt work of moving the pages.

That'd be greatly appreciated.

...

but the page 'owners' might prefer to do the copy and keep the authorship intact...

JamesCourtierDutton 15 pages LiamGirdwood 2 or 3 pages ClemensLadisch 1 page NormanSchleicher 2 pages JohnUtz 3 pages JaroslavKysela 5 pages

Any of you have objections about this? (sorry I couldn't find Norman's address...)

If I don't hear back otherwise, I will start some time next week copying the pages, with backlink and attribution

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And, in the official wiki, would we want a separate Development: namespace? Something the wiki-master needs to create. or is a Development: category a better way to go.

I created development category (just need to add [[Category:Development]] to any page. http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Category:Development

I think the catgoery should suffice. But I'm no Wiki expert al all, so would like to hear from other skilled guys.

However it seems there is already a namespace "AlsaWiki" which contains only 2 pages. By default its excluded from search. Maybe this was intended for the alsa dev wiki content (Jaroslav?)

http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/AlsaWiki:About http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/AlsaWiki:Developer_Zone

-- Eliot

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Ingo Müller wrote:

Hi!

Eliot Blennerhassett schrieb:

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However it seems there is already a namespace "AlsaWiki" which contains only 2 pages. By default its excluded from search. Maybe this was intended for the alsa dev wiki content (Jaroslav?)

http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/AlsaWiki:About http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/AlsaWiki:Developer_Zone

The AlsaWiki namespace is the project namespace as the wiki's name is "AlsaWiki" (wikipedias project namespace is "Wikipedia:...". The project namespace is for articles about the wiki itself and its organisation and should not be used for articles about the topic of the wiki.

Thanks. I moved this page from AlsaWiki namespace.

Jaroslav

----- Jaroslav Kysela perex@suse.cz Linux Kernel Sound Maintainer ALSA Project, SUSE Labs