Hi,
did anyone think of a meeting in this year? AFAIK, a couple of good candidates to tie with are:
- LinuxCon + KS will be at Chicago, USA (in August 18-22) - Plumbers will be at Duesseldorf, Germany (in October 15-17)
Any other opportunities? I'm not sure whether I'll be in the former (due to private reason), but very likely I'll attend the latter.
And, if we hold a meeting, in which format? I find the previous year's meeting was nice; i.e. a kind of mini-summit that doesn't conflict with other meetings is my preference. But I'm open for other options.
thanks,
Takashi
13.05.2014 19:50, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Hi,
did anyone think of a meeting in this year? AFAIK, a couple of good candidates to tie with are:
- LinuxCon + KS will be at Chicago, USA (in August 18-22)
- Plumbers will be at Duesseldorf, Germany (in October 15-17)
I will probably visit Plumbers.
On 2014-05-13 15:50, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Hi,
did anyone think of a meeting in this year? AFAIK, a couple of good candidates to tie with are:
- LinuxCon + KS will be at Chicago, USA (in August 18-22)
- Plumbers will be at Duesseldorf, Germany (in October 15-17)
Any other opportunities? I'm not sure whether I'll be in the former (due to private reason), but very likely I'll attend the latter.
And, if we hold a meeting, in which format? I find the previous year's meeting was nice; i.e. a kind of mini-summit that doesn't conflict with other meetings is my preference. But I'm open for other options.
Hi,
I'm planning to go to Plumbers, and I think reserving a full mini-summit day is a good idea.
I'm not planning to go to LinuxCon in Chicago.
________________________________________ From: alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org [alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org] on behalf of David Henningsson [david.henningsson@canonical.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 10:00 AM To: Takashi Iwai; alsa-devel@alsa-project.org Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] Audio mini conference 2014?
On 2014-05-13 15:50, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Hi,
did anyone think of a meeting in this year? AFAIK, a couple of good candidates to tie with are:
- LinuxCon + KS will be at Chicago, USA (in August 18-22)
- Plumbers will be at Duesseldorf, Germany (in October 15-17)
Any other opportunities? I'm not sure whether I'll be in the former (due to private reason), but very likely I'll attend the latter.
And, if we hold a meeting, in which format? I find the previous year's meeting was nice; i.e. a kind of mini-summit that doesn't conflict with other meetings is my preference. But I'm open for other options.
During last years conference, we were talking about having it as a separate event. We would like to host it here in Austin if possible.
On 05/13/2014 03:50 PM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Hi,
did anyone think of a meeting in this year? AFAIK, a couple of good candidates to tie with are:
- LinuxCon + KS will be at Chicago, USA (in August 18-22)
- Plumbers will be at Duesseldorf, Germany (in October 15-17)
Any other opportunities? I'm not sure whether I'll be in the former (due to private reason), but very likely I'll attend the latter.
And, if we hold a meeting, in which format? I find the previous year's meeting was nice; i.e. a kind of mini-summit that doesn't conflict with other meetings is my preference. But I'm open for other options.
Duesseldorf works best for me as well. I think last years format was fine.
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 03:50:41PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
did anyone think of a meeting in this year? AFAIK, a couple of good candidates to tie with are:
- LinuxCon + KS will be at Chicago, USA (in August 18-22)
- Plumbers will be at Duesseldorf, Germany (in October 15-17)
Any other opportunities? I'm not sure whether I'll be in the former (due to private reason), but very likely I'll attend the latter.
I don't have specific plans for anything, though I guess it's likely I might be at KS. If not Plumbers is going to be easiest.
And, if we hold a meeting, in which format? I find the previous year's meeting was nice; i.e. a kind of mini-summit that doesn't conflict with other meetings is my preference. But I'm open for other options.
Me too.
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 03:50:41PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
- Plumbers will be at Duesseldorf, Germany (in October 15-17)
If we want to do something at LPC we really ought to submit a proposal if we can, the accepted miniconferences are already starting to be announced.
If we want a full day that does not collide with anything else, I guess Saturday 18th would be an option. Or Tuesday 14th if most people are there for plumbers rather than Linuxcon?
On 2014-05-25 15:23, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 03:50:41PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
- Plumbers will be at Duesseldorf, Germany (in October 15-17)
If we want to do something at LPC we really ought to submit a proposal if we can, the accepted miniconferences are already starting to be announced.
Alsa-devel mailing list Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel
At Sun, 25 May 2014 18:46:14 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
If we want a full day that does not collide with anything else, I guess Saturday 18th would be an option. Or Tuesday 14th if most people are there for plumbers rather than Linuxcon?
I guess most of developers will attend LPC primarily. Maybe we should apply to LPC mini conf no matter which date we'll hold, so that we can get a room properly?
Takashi
On 2014-05-25 15:23, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 03:50:41PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
- Plumbers will be at Duesseldorf, Germany (in October 15-17)
If we want to do something at LPC we really ought to submit a proposal if we can, the accepted miniconferences are already starting to be announced.
Alsa-devel mailing list Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel
-- David Henningsson, Canonical Ltd. https://launchpad.net/~diwic
On 2014-05-25 20:50, Takashi Iwai wrote:
At Sun, 25 May 2014 18:46:14 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
If we want a full day that does not collide with anything else, I guess Saturday 18th would be an option. Or Tuesday 14th if most people are there for plumbers rather than Linuxcon?
I guess most of developers will attend LPC primarily. Maybe we should apply to LPC mini conf no matter which date we'll hold, so that we can get a room properly?
Sounds reasonable - you and Mark probably know that better than me.
For me it felt better with the full day we had last year, compared to the standard 2 hour microconference time though.
Takashi
On 2014-05-25 15:23, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 03:50:41PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
- Plumbers will be at Duesseldorf, Germany (in October 15-17)
If we want to do something at LPC we really ought to submit a proposal if we can, the accepted miniconferences are already starting to be announced.
Alsa-devel mailing list Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel
-- David Henningsson, Canonical Ltd. https://launchpad.net/~diwic
Alsa-devel mailing list Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel
On Sun, 2014-05-25 at 20:50 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
At Sun, 25 May 2014 18:46:14 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
If we want a full day that does not collide with anything else, I guess Saturday 18th would be an option. Or Tuesday 14th if most people are there for plumbers rather than Linuxcon?
I guess most of developers will attend LPC primarily. Maybe we should apply to LPC mini conf no matter which date we'll hold, so that we can get a room properly?
Has anything happened on this front?
To me it sounds a bit strange to simultaneously plan to have a whole-day event, especially outside the official LPC dates as David suggested, and also to try to get an official microconference accepted. They seem mutually exclusive plans, unless we want to have two events... But I don't really mind - no matter the day or format, I'll most likely be there :)
At Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:43:19 +0300, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
On Sun, 2014-05-25 at 20:50 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
At Sun, 25 May 2014 18:46:14 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
If we want a full day that does not collide with anything else, I guess Saturday 18th would be an option. Or Tuesday 14th if most people are there for plumbers rather than Linuxcon?
I guess most of developers will attend LPC primarily. Maybe we should apply to LPC mini conf no matter which date we'll hold, so that we can get a room properly?
Has anything happened on this front?
To me it sounds a bit strange to simultaneously plan to have a whole-day event, especially outside the official LPC dates as David suggested, and also to try to get an official microconference accepted. They seem mutually exclusive plans, unless we want to have two events... But I don't really mind - no matter the day or format, I'll most likely be there :)
Mark asked LF about an extra room, but I haven't heard the result yet. Mark, how is the progress?
thanks,
Takashi
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:43:33PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
To me it sounds a bit strange to simultaneously plan to have a whole-day event, especially outside the official LPC dates as David suggested, and also to try to get an official microconference accepted. They seem mutually exclusive plans, unless we want to have two events... But I don't really mind - no matter the day or format, I'll most likely be there :)
Mark asked LF about an extra room, but I haven't heard the result yet. Mark, how is the progress?
No, I didn't ask them - you aske what I did last year but I had been under the impression that was so you could ask them about Dusseldorf. I guess you want me to do it then?
At Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:46:34 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:43:33PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
To me it sounds a bit strange to simultaneously plan to have a whole-day event, especially outside the official LPC dates as David suggested, and also to try to get an official microconference accepted. They seem mutually exclusive plans, unless we want to have two events... But I don't really mind - no matter the day or format, I'll most likely be there :)
Mark asked LF about an extra room, but I haven't heard the result yet. Mark, how is the progress?
No, I didn't ask them - you aske what I did last year but I had been under the impression that was so you could ask them about Dusseldorf. I guess you want me to do it then?
Gah, then a complete misunderstanding. I just asked one LPC program committee guy about the room availability and reported back to some of you guys. Mark, would you mind asking Angela again like the last year? I have to leave from net from now for a while...
thanks,
Takashi
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:56:53PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Mark Brown wrote:
No, I didn't ask them - you aske what I did last year but I had been under the impression that was so you could ask them about Dusseldorf. I guess you want me to do it then?
Gah, then a complete misunderstanding. I just asked one LPC program committee guy about the room availability and reported back to some of you guys. Mark, would you mind asking Angela again like the last year? I have to leave from net from now for a while...
OK, will do.
On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 12:00 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:56:53PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Mark Brown wrote:
No, I didn't ask them - you aske what I did last year but I had been under the impression that was so you could ask them about Dusseldorf. I guess you want me to do it then?
Gah, then a complete misunderstanding. I just asked one LPC program committee guy about the room availability and reported back to some of you guys. Mark, would you mind asking Angela again like the last year? I have to leave from net from now for a while...
OK, will do.
What's the status?
At Tue, 15 Jul 2014 21:35:20 +0300, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 12:00 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:56:53PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Mark Brown wrote:
No, I didn't ask them - you aske what I did last year but I had been under the impression that was so you could ask them about Dusseldorf. I guess you want me to do it then?
Gah, then a complete misunderstanding. I just asked one LPC program committee guy about the room availability and reported back to some of you guys. Mark, would you mind asking Angela again like the last year? I have to leave from net from now for a while...
OK, will do.
What's the status?
I wonder what's going on, too... Mark?
Takashi
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 05:12:17PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
What's the status?
I wonder what's going on, too... Mark?
Ugh, this got buried under a bunch of other mail so I didn't see it - sorry. Anyway, I've sent several mails to Angela but just not got any reply at all even to say it's not possible. I just tried again, hopefully we'll get somewhere :/
At Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:20:54 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 05:12:17PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
What's the status?
I wonder what's going on, too... Mark?
Ugh, this got buried under a bunch of other mail so I didn't see it - sorry. Anyway, I've sent several mails to Angela but just not got any reply at all even to say it's not possible. I just tried again, hopefully we'll get somewhere :/
OK, thanks.
Of course it's possible to hold a meeting in a different place at different time. I can book a meeting room in my office in Nuremberg, too, for example. Let's see.
Takashi
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 07:55:22AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Of course it's possible to hold a meeting in a different place at different time. I can book a meeting room in my office in Nuremberg, too, for example. Let's see.
Right, though that might get more difficult for people to organize travel. Trying to find some space ad hoc in Dusseldorf might also work.
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On 07/23/2014 12:20 AM, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 07:55:22AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Of course it's possible to hold a meeting in a different place at different time. I can book a meeting room in my office in Nuremberg, too, for example. Let's see.
Right, though that might get more difficult for people to organize travel.
Trying to find some space ad hoc in Dusseldorf might also work.
I emailed some people from Duesseldorf and asked about ideas for such a location. Let's see.
Daniel
On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 11:40 +0200, Daniel Mack wrote:
On 07/23/2014 12:20 AM, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 07:55:22AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Of course it's possible to hold a meeting in a different place at different time. I can book a meeting room in my office in Nuremberg, too, for example. Let's see.
Right, though that might get more difficult for people to organize travel.
Trying to find some space ad hoc in Dusseldorf might also work.
I emailed some people from Duesseldorf and asked about ideas for such a location. Let's see.
Did you get any responses?
On 08/06/2014 10:13 AM, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 11:40 +0200, Daniel Mack wrote:
On 07/23/2014 12:20 AM, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 07:55:22AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Of course it's possible to hold a meeting in a different place at different time. I can book a meeting room in my office in Nuremberg, too, for example. Let's see.
Right, though that might get more difficult for people to organize travel.
Trying to find some space ad hoc in Dusseldorf might also work.
I emailed some people from Duesseldorf and asked about ideas for such a location. Let's see.
Did you get any responses?
Unfortunately not. I'll try again.
On 08/06/2014 10:15 AM, Daniel Mack wrote:
On 08/06/2014 10:13 AM, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
Did you get any responses?
Unfortunately not. I'll try again.
Ok, they guys from ChaosDorf now got back to me. They need to make a final discussion internally yet, but it appears to be working. I'll hear back from them next Wednesday with a final decision.
The ChaosDorf is a CCC hack space that hosts all sort of user group meetings and the like. Their website is here:
I told them we'd be ~20ppl and they think they can accommodate that number, and they also have a beamer. Or do we expect to be more?
They have a room layout and some pictures here:
https://wiki.chaosdorf.de/Clubraum
I've never been there myself, so I can't say anything about it, but usually, these Hackspaces are quite nice. They're no typical conference rooms though.
What date would we prefer? There's an event on Tuesday night (~6pm), but I guess we wouldn't need the room longer than that anyway, right?
If that location doesn't match our needs, let me know - I can still seek for alternatives.
Daniel
On Aug 6, 2014, at 7:00 AM, "Daniel Mack" daniel@zonque.org wrote:
On 08/06/2014 10:15 AM, Daniel Mack wrote: On 08/06/2014 10:13 AM, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
Did you get any responses?
Unfortunately not. I'll try again.
Ok, they guys from ChaosDorf now got back to me. They need to make a final discussion internally yet, but it appears to be working. I'll hear back from them next Wednesday with a final decision.
The ChaosDorf is a CCC hack space that hosts all sort of user group meetings and the like. Their website is here:
I told them we'd be ~20ppl and they think they can accommodate that number, and they also have a beamer. Or do we expect to be more?
They have a room layout and some pictures here:
https://wiki.chaosdorf.de/Clubraum
I've never been there myself, so I can't say anything about it, but usually, these Hackspaces are quite nice. They're no typical conference rooms though.
What date would we prefer? There's an event on Tuesday night (~6pm), but I guess we wouldn't need the room longer than that anyway, right?
It would be best that it is not during LPC as mentioned before. Will Saturday after LPC work as well?
On 08/06/2014 03:42 PM, Handrigan, Paul wrote:
On Aug 6, 2014, at 7:00 AM, "Daniel Mack" daniel@zonque.org wrote:
On 08/06/2014 10:15 AM, Daniel Mack wrote: On 08/06/2014 10:13 AM, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
Did you get any responses?
Unfortunately not. I'll try again.
Ok, they guys from ChaosDorf now got back to me. They need to make a final discussion internally yet, but it appears to be working. I'll hear back from them next Wednesday with a final decision.
The ChaosDorf is a CCC hack space that hosts all sort of user group meetings and the like. Their website is here:
I told them we'd be ~20ppl and they think they can accommodate that number, and they also have a beamer. Or do we expect to be more?
They have a room layout and some pictures here:
https://wiki.chaosdorf.de/Clubraum
I've never been there myself, so I can't say anything about it, but usually, these Hackspaces are quite nice. They're no typical conference rooms though.
What date would we prefer? There's an event on Tuesday night (~6pm), but I guess we wouldn't need the room longer than that anyway, right?
It would be best that it is not during LPC as mentioned before. Will Saturday after LPC work as well?
I'll ask them.
Daniel
On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 01:42:36PM +0000, Handrigan, Paul wrote:
On Aug 6, 2014, at 7:00 AM, "Daniel Mack" daniel@zonque.org wrote:
On 08/06/2014 10:15 AM, Daniel Mack wrote: On 08/06/2014 10:13 AM, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
Did you get any responses?
Unfortunately not. I'll try again.
Ok, they guys from ChaosDorf now got back to me. They need to make a final discussion internally yet, but it appears to be working. I'll hear back from them next Wednesday with a final decision.
The ChaosDorf is a CCC hack space that hosts all sort of user group meetings and the like. Their website is here:
I told them we'd be ~20ppl and they think they can accommodate that number, and they also have a beamer. Or do we expect to be more?
They have a room layout and some pictures here:
https://wiki.chaosdorf.de/Clubraum
I've never been there myself, so I can't say anything about it, but usually, these Hackspaces are quite nice. They're no typical conference rooms though.
What date would we prefer? There's an event on Tuesday night (~6pm), but I guess we wouldn't need the room longer than that anyway, right?
It would be best that it is not during LPC as mentioned before. Will Saturday after LPC work as well?
Plumbers starts Wed.. So tue can work too :)
Btw should we request a LPC track for backup.
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 01:42:36PM +0000, Handrigan, Paul wrote:
On Aug 6, 2014, at 7:00 AM, "Daniel Mack" daniel@zonque.org wrote:
On 08/06/2014 10:15 AM, Daniel Mack wrote: On 08/06/2014 10:13 AM, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
Did you get any responses?
Unfortunately not. I'll try again.
Ok, they guys from ChaosDorf now got back to me. They need to make a final discussion internally yet, but it appears to be working. I'll hear back from them next Wednesday with a final decision.
The ChaosDorf is a CCC hack space that hosts all sort of user group meetings and the like. Their website is here:
I told them we'd be ~20ppl and they think they can accommodate that number, and they also have a beamer. Or do we expect to be more?
They have a room layout and some pictures here:
https://wiki.chaosdorf.de/Clubraum
I've never been there myself, so I can't say anything about it, but usually, these Hackspaces are quite nice. They're no typical conference rooms though.
What date would we prefer? There's an event on Tuesday night (~6pm), but I guess we wouldn't need the room longer than that anyway, right?
It would be best that it is not during LPC as mentioned before. Will Saturday after LPC work as well?
Plumbers starts Wed.. So tue can work too :)
Btw should we request a LPC track for backup.
I believe it is too late to request a LPC track.
Tuesday would be good as well. Should we go with that since we may have a place for it?
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:14:39AM -0500, Paul Handrigan wrote:
What date would we prefer? There's an event on Tuesday night (~6pm), but I guess we wouldn't need the room longer than that anyway, right?
It would be best that it is not during LPC as mentioned before. Will Saturday after LPC work as well?
Plumbers starts Wed.. So tue can work too :)
Btw should we request a LPC track for backup.
I believe it is too late to request a LPC track.
Checking the site again, looks like we can still make a request
Tuesday would be good as well. Should we go with that since we may have a place for it?
I am okay either days.
Btw I didnt hear about the topics...
On 08/12/2014 05:12 PM, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:14:39AM -0500, Paul Handrigan wrote:
What date would we prefer? There's an event on Tuesday night (~6pm), but I guess we wouldn't need the room longer than that anyway, right?
It would be best that it is not during LPC as mentioned before. Will Saturday after LPC work as well?
Plumbers starts Wed.. So tue can work too :)
Btw should we request a LPC track for backup.
I believe it is too late to request a LPC track.
Checking the site again, looks like we can still make a request
Tuesday would be good as well. Should we go with that since we may have a place for it?
I am okay either days.
Btw I didnt hear about the topics...
If there is interest I'll prepare something about ASoC componentization, what's the status and where it is going.
- Lars
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 05:38:23PM +0200, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
On 08/12/2014 05:12 PM, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:14:39AM -0500, Paul Handrigan wrote:
What date would we prefer? There's an event on Tuesday night (~6pm), but I guess we wouldn't need the room longer than that anyway, right?
It would be best that it is not during LPC as mentioned before. Will Saturday after LPC work as well?
Plumbers starts Wed.. So tue can work too :)
Btw should we request a LPC track for backup.
I believe it is too late to request a LPC track.
Checking the site again, looks like we can still make a request
My bad, wrong interpretation. Looks like new uconf are not accepted.
Mark, Takashi, can we get some leeway with organizers
Tuesday would be good as well. Should we go with that since we may have a place for it?
I am okay either days.
Btw I didnt hear about the topics...
If there is interest I'll prepare something about ASoC componentization, what's the status and where it is going.
That would be good.
I was planning to discuss Dynamic FW, effect API (yet again), more DSP support esp on PCM side
12.08.2014 21:35, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 05:38:23PM +0200, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
On 08/12/2014 05:12 PM, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:14:39AM -0500, Paul Handrigan wrote:
> What date would we prefer? There's an event on Tuesday night (~6pm), but > I guess we wouldn't need the room longer than that anyway, right? It would be best that it is not during LPC as mentioned before. Will Saturday after LPC work as well?
Plumbers starts Wed.. So tue can work too :)
Btw should we request a LPC track for backup.
I believe it is too late to request a LPC track.
Checking the site again, looks like we can still make a request
My bad, wrong interpretation. Looks like new uconf are not accepted.
Mark, Takashi, can we get some leeway with organizers
Tuesday would be good as well. Should we go with that since we may have a place for it?
I am okay either days.
Btw I didnt hear about the topics...
If there is interest I'll prepare something about ASoC componentization, what's the status and where it is going.
That would be good.
I was planning to discuss Dynamic FW, effect API (yet again), more DSP support esp on PCM side
I can discuss rewinding in ALSA PCM plugins (actually planned that for LPC, but it got rejected), and/or a short talk about resampler quality evaluation for PulseAudio.
Am Dienstag, den 12.08.2014, 21:54 +0600 schrieb Alexander E. Patrakov:
12.08.2014 21:35, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 05:38:23PM +0200, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
On 08/12/2014 05:12 PM, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:14:39AM -0500, Paul Handrigan wrote:
>> What date would we prefer? There's an event on Tuesday night (~6pm), but >> I guess we wouldn't need the room longer than that anyway, right? > It would be best that it is not during LPC as mentioned before. Will Saturday after LPC work as well? Plumbers starts Wed.. So tue can work too :)
Btw should we request a LPC track for backup.
I believe it is too late to request a LPC track.
Checking the site again, looks like we can still make a request
My bad, wrong interpretation. Looks like new uconf are not accepted.
Mark, Takashi, can we get some leeway with organizers
Tuesday would be good as well. Should we go with that since we may have a place for it?
I am okay either days.
Btw I didnt hear about the topics...
If there is interest I'll prepare something about ASoC componentization, what's the status and where it is going.
That would be good.
I was planning to discuss Dynamic FW, effect API (yet again), more DSP support esp on PCM side
I can discuss rewinding in ALSA PCM plugins (actually planned that for LPC, but it got rejected), and/or a short talk about resampler quality evaluation for PulseAudio.
What about pulseaudio preventing insane rates?
On 19 August 2014 05:21, Joël Krähemann weedlight@gmail.com wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 12.08.2014, 21:54 +0600 schrieb Alexander E. Patrakov:
12.08.2014 21:35, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 05:38:23PM +0200, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
On 08/12/2014 05:12 PM, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:14:39AM -0500, Paul Handrigan wrote:
>>> What date would we prefer? There's an event on Tuesday night (~6pm), but >>> I guess we wouldn't need the room longer than that anyway, right? >> It would be best that it is not during LPC as mentioned before. Will Saturday after LPC work as well? > Plumbers starts Wed.. So tue can work too :) > > Btw should we request a LPC track for backup. > I believe it is too late to request a LPC track.
Checking the site again, looks like we can still make a request
My bad, wrong interpretation. Looks like new uconf are not accepted.
Mark, Takashi, can we get some leeway with organizers
Tuesday would be good as well. Should we go with that since we may have a place for it?
I am okay either days.
Btw I didnt hear about the topics...
If there is interest I'll prepare something about ASoC componentization, what's the status and where it is going.
That would be good.
I was planning to discuss Dynamic FW, effect API (yet again), more DSP support esp on PCM side
I can discuss rewinding in ALSA PCM plugins (actually planned that for LPC, but it got rejected), and/or a short talk about resampler quality evaluation for PulseAudio.
What about pulseaudio preventing insane rates?
Not sure what you're referring to, but the PulseAudio folks will be around for you to talk to / heckle. :-)
Cheers, Arun
On 08/12/2014 05:14 PM, Paul Handrigan wrote:
Tuesday would be good as well. Should we go with that since we may have a place for it?
I just got a final confirmation from the guys at Chaosdorf, and they say we can have the room on Tuesday 14th from 10am.
Should I confirm that from our side as well?
Daniel
On 13 August 2014 00:18, Daniel Mack daniel@zonque.org wrote:
On 08/12/2014 05:14 PM, Paul Handrigan wrote:
Tuesday would be good as well. Should we go with that since we may have a place for it?
I just got a final confirmation from the guys at Chaosdorf, and they say we can have the room on Tuesday 14th from 10am.
Should I confirm that from our side as well?
++ from me!
-- Arun
At Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:48:05 +0200, Daniel Mack wrote:
On 08/12/2014 05:14 PM, Paul Handrigan wrote:
Tuesday would be good as well. Should we go with that since we may have a place for it?
I just got a final confirmation from the guys at Chaosdorf, and they say we can have the room on Tuesday 14th from 10am.
Should I confirm that from our side as well?
Yeah, Tuesday sounds good to me, too. Can we book a room for the whole day?
Mark, do you get no reply from Angela? If so, we can go heading this way.
Thanks!
Takashi
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:34:30PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Daniel Mack wrote:
On 08/12/2014 05:14 PM, Paul Handrigan wrote:
Tuesday would be good as well. Should we go with that since we may have a place for it?
I just got a final confirmation from the guys at Chaosdorf, and they say we can have the room on Tuesday 14th from 10am.
Should I confirm that from our side as well?
Yeah, Tuesday sounds good to me, too. Can we book a room for the whole day?
Mark, do you get no reply from Angela? If so, we can go heading this way.
I've not heard a thing from Angela, I was going to speak to the Linux Foundation people in person next week in Chicago (I'll probably do that no matter what since it's a bit concerning getting complete radio silence).
It'd be nicer to be in the same place as the rest of the conference but OTOH we don't want to muck the Chaosdorf folks around so it might make sense to just go ahead, I don't have a particularly strong preference either way I guess.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 05:55:17PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:34:30PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Yeah, Tuesday sounds good to me, too. Can we book a room for the whole day?
Mark, do you get no reply from Angela? If so, we can go heading this way.
I've not heard a thing from Angela, I was going to speak to the Linux Foundation people in person next week in Chicago (I'll probably do that no matter what since it's a bit concerning getting complete radio silence).
It'd be nicer to be in the same place as the rest of the conference but OTOH we don't want to muck the Chaosdorf folks around so it might make sense to just go ahead, I don't have a particularly strong preference either way I guess.
I just spoke to Angela - she was incredibly apologetic and said she didn't get my e-mails, I guess I've been hit by the same filtering problems that has been hitting Linus with some pull requests. She said we should be able to get something on Monday or Tuesday.
I don't mind which option we go with, should I carry on or should I tell her we'll go with ChaosDorf?
At Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:10:21 -0500, Mark Brown wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 05:55:17PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:34:30PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Yeah, Tuesday sounds good to me, too. Can we book a room for the whole day?
Mark, do you get no reply from Angela? If so, we can go heading this way.
I've not heard a thing from Angela, I was going to speak to the Linux Foundation people in person next week in Chicago (I'll probably do that no matter what since it's a bit concerning getting complete radio silence).
It'd be nicer to be in the same place as the rest of the conference but OTOH we don't want to muck the Chaosdorf folks around so it might make sense to just go ahead, I don't have a particularly strong preference either way I guess.
I just spoke to Angela - she was incredibly apologetic and said she didn't get my e-mails, I guess I've been hit by the same filtering problems that has been hitting Linus with some pull requests. She said we should be able to get something on Monday or Tuesday.
That's a good news!
I don't mind which option we go with, should I carry on or should I tell her we'll go with ChaosDorf?
Well, speaking of my preference, staying in the same location (the conference center) would be more practical. But I don't mind much either.
thanks,
Takashi
On 08/18/2014 10:15 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
At Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:10:21 -0500, Mark Brown wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 05:55:17PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:34:30PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Yeah, Tuesday sounds good to me, too. Can we book a room for the whole day?
Mark, do you get no reply from Angela? If so, we can go heading this way.
I've not heard a thing from Angela, I was going to speak to the Linux Foundation people in person next week in Chicago (I'll probably do that no matter what since it's a bit concerning getting complete radio silence).
It'd be nicer to be in the same place as the rest of the conference but OTOH we don't want to muck the Chaosdorf folks around so it might make sense to just go ahead, I don't have a particularly strong preference either way I guess.
I just spoke to Angela - she was incredibly apologetic and said she didn't get my e-mails, I guess I've been hit by the same filtering problems that has been hitting Linus with some pull requests. She said we should be able to get something on Monday or Tuesday.
That's a good news!
I don't mind which option we go with, should I carry on or should I tell her we'll go with ChaosDorf?
Well, speaking of my preference, staying in the same location (the conference center) would be more practical. But I don't mind much either.
Yea, from a logistics point of view it would be nice to keep it in the same location. On the other hand it doesn't seem to be that far away: https://goo.gl/maps/ax9Oi
- Lars
On 08/18/2014 10:25 AM, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
On 08/18/2014 10:15 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
At Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:10:21 -0500, Mark Brown wrote:
I don't mind which option we go with, should I carry on or should I tell her we'll go with ChaosDorf?
Well, speaking of my preference, staying in the same location (the conference center) would be more practical. But I don't mind much either.
Yea, from a logistics point of view it would be nice to keep it in the same location. On the other hand it doesn't seem to be that far away: https://goo.gl/maps/ax9Oi
Sure, logistically, it might indeed be better of course, and it wouldn't be a problem to cancel the ChaosDorf thing I guess - it's still two month in advance.
Let me know when we have a confirmed room at the conference venue, then I can let the ChaosDorf people know.
Thanks, Daniel
18.08.2014 14:33, Daniel Mack wrote:
On 08/18/2014 10:25 AM, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
On 08/18/2014 10:15 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
At Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:10:21 -0500, Mark Brown wrote:
I don't mind which option we go with, should I carry on or should I tell her we'll go with ChaosDorf?
Well, speaking of my preference, staying in the same location (the conference center) would be more practical. But I don't mind much either.
Yea, from a logistics point of view it would be nice to keep it in the same location. On the other hand it doesn't seem to be that far away: https://goo.gl/maps/ax9Oi
Sure, logistically, it might indeed be better of course, and it wouldn't be a problem to cancel the ChaosDorf thing I guess - it's still two month in advance.
Let me know when we have a confirmed room at the conference venue, then I can let the ChaosDorf people know.
I would also like to know what kind of presentation equipment (a projector or a big TV) will be available. For me, this is important, because TVs usually have no problems with color reproduction, and thus I can show directly what matplotlib.pyplot.pcolormesh() produces. On a projector, I would probably have to resort to other ways of presenting functions of two real variables.
At Mon, 18 Aug 2014 10:33:31 +0200, Daniel Mack wrote:
On 08/18/2014 10:25 AM, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
On 08/18/2014 10:15 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
At Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:10:21 -0500, Mark Brown wrote:
I don't mind which option we go with, should I carry on or should I tell her we'll go with ChaosDorf?
Well, speaking of my preference, staying in the same location (the conference center) would be more practical. But I don't mind much either.
Yea, from a logistics point of view it would be nice to keep it in the same location. On the other hand it doesn't seem to be that far away: https://goo.gl/maps/ax9Oi
Sure, logistically, it might indeed be better of course, and it wouldn't be a problem to cancel the ChaosDorf thing I guess - it's still two month in advance.
Let me know when we have a confirmed room at the conference venue, then I can let the ChaosDorf people know.
So we've set the schedule? Mark, did you get the final confirmation?
FWIW, below is topics (and comments) I gathered from the thread. Just edit over it and repost if anyone has an idea, correction or suggestion.
thanks,
Takashi
===
- ASoC componentization (Lars)
- Dynamic FW (Vinod) Me and Liam will try to send RFCs before the conference. At least on my side thats next todo after current mrfld driver is done.
We have working code atm. For the folks who want to look at early state of affairs, here are the trees: Kernel: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/vkoul/sound.git dfw-3.15 Usermode: git://git.infradead.org/users/vkoul/dynamic_fw.git
- Effect API (yet again) (Vinod)
- More DSP support esp on PCM side (Vinod)
- Rewinding in ALSA PCM plugins (Alexander)
- Resampler quality evaluation for PulseAudio (Alexander)
- Testing / QA (Takashi) How people do test? Can we have some automation? (IIRC, openSUSE has some automatic audio test running on VM, but I forgot the details...)
(Vinod) I would be interested in this as well, some test framework for auto regression checks would be great. I think Mark would be at KS and can update if we can leverage something for kselftest stuff being discussed there
(Mark) Not really, it's more about standardising the way tests are triggered and reported.
- Automated tests of HDA codec parser code (David) I run automated tests of the HDA codec parser code and has done so for quite a while now. Not much has happened the last year, but I can talk about it if anyone is interested. (It's a test framework around hda-emu.)
- ABI/API documentation (Takashi) We're not good at this at all, obviously. Let's define the priority to start working on.
(Vinod) I think ASoC has grown a lot with DPCM etc making it very dynamic atm. So yes it will help to add more
- Control names (Takashi) It's wild west for now, everyone picks up a random funky name.
(Vinod) yes, I think the current control names were too HDA specific. With DSP and audio hub proliferation on SoCs/Codecs revisiting this would certainly be great. Like how do I specify volume control for gain before a mixer, or gain in capture BE which is different from the one on capture FE.
- Code removals (Takashi) There have been actions to remove the codes for old hardware recently. Which is acceptable? Feature removals, too?
- Configuration convergence (Vinod) From the OS side, we have Desktop OSes relying on PA, Chrome using CRAS, Android using flinger. With DSPs and tons of configuration it doesn't bode well to have multiple configuration for same stuff for the sound cards. Can we talk about unifying the configuration at least. Sure OSes will have their own ways to use, but from ALSA can we standardize configurations which can be reused across.
(Takashi) I thought UCM was targeted to this, but not widely used as expected?
(Mark) Right, the problems with alsa-lib licensing and the changes in the configuration format have been a bit of a blocker - there are actually some substantial deployments of the pre-merge configuration file format.
- ChromeOS UCM usage (Dylan) I'm giving a talk with an overview of ChromeOS's audio system at ELC on Tuesday at 12:15, but aside from that I'll attend the whole day.
- tinyUCM (Mark?, Brian?) The latest Google reference designs use something which is essentially tinyucm - the configuration is mostly stored in an XML configuration file which is read at runtime. It's not consistent with what anyone else uses.
(Brian) Those must be the qcom designs. They use a “tinyucm" that is xml based.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 08:21:38AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
So we've set the schedule? Mark, did you get the final confirmation?
No confirmation yet but then it was LinuxCon all last week - I'm expecting something this week.
FWIW, below is topics (and comments) I gathered from the thread. Just edit over it and repost if anyone has an idea, correction or suggestion.
I don't know if it's also worth talking about mapping channels through DAI links in ASoC - I'm not sure anyone is intending to work on it in the immediate term so I'd suggest putting it on the end of the list as an "if we have time" kind of thing.
- Code removals (Takashi) There have been actions to remove the codes for old hardware recently. Which is acceptable? Feature removals, too?
Linus was muttering about ISA sound card drivers.
- tinyUCM (Mark?, Brian?) The latest Google reference designs use something which is essentially tinyucm - the configuration is mostly stored in an XML configuration file which is read at runtime. It's not consistent with what anyone else uses.
(Brian) Those must be the qcom designs. They use a “tinyucm" that is xml based.
IIRC Manta was using it as well, I think it was the first device to do so.
26.08.2014 14:42, Mark Brown write:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 08:21:38AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
- Code removals (Takashi) There have been actions to remove the codes for old hardware recently. Which is acceptable? Feature removals, too?
Linus was muttering about ISA sound card drivers.
Maybe ADPCM support?
At Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:42:20 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 08:21:38AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
So we've set the schedule? Mark, did you get the final confirmation?
No confirmation yet but then it was LinuxCon all last week - I'm expecting something this week.
OK, thanks.
FWIW, below is topics (and comments) I gathered from the thread. Just edit over it and repost if anyone has an idea, correction or suggestion.
I don't know if it's also worth talking about mapping channels through DAI links in ASoC - I'm not sure anyone is intending to work on it in the immediate term so I'd suggest putting it on the end of the list as an "if we have time" kind of thing.
I put in the list.
- Code removals (Takashi) There have been actions to remove the codes for old hardware recently. Which is acceptable? Feature removals, too?
Linus was muttering about ISA sound card drivers.
Interesting, I thought Linus doesn't mind much about such "dead" drivers.
- tinyUCM (Mark?, Brian?) The latest Google reference designs use something which is essentially tinyucm - the configuration is mostly stored in an XML configuration file which is read at runtime. It's not consistent with what anyone else uses.
(Brian) Those must be the qcom designs. They use a “tinyucm" that is xml based.
IIRC Manta was using it as well, I think it was the first device to do so.
Below is the updated list.
Takashi
=== Audio Mini-Summit 2014 - Proposed Topics
- ASoC componentization (Lars)
- Dynamic FW (Vinod) Me and Liam will try to send RFCs before the conference. At least on my side thats next todo after current mrfld driver is done.
We have working code atm. For the folks who want to look at early state of affairs, here are the trees: Kernel: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/vkoul/sound.git dfw-3.15 Usermode: git://git.infradead.org/users/vkoul/dynamic_fw.git
- Effect API (yet again) (Vinod)
- More DSP support esp on PCM side (Vinod)
- Rewinding in ALSA PCM plugins (Alexander)
- Resampler quality evaluation for PulseAudio (Alexander)
- Testing / QA (Takashi) How people do test? Can we have some automation? (IIRC, openSUSE has some automatic audio test running on VM, but I forgot the details...)
(Vinod) I would be interested in this as well, some test framework for auto regression checks would be great. I think Mark would be at KS and can update if we can leverage something for kselftest stuff being discussed there
(Mark) Not really, it's more about standardising the way tests are triggered and reported.
- Automated tests of HDA codec parser code (David) I run automated tests of the HDA codec parser code and has done so for quite a while now. Not much has happened the last year, but I can talk about it if anyone is interested. (It's a test framework around hda-emu.)
- ABI/API documentation (Takashi) We're not good at this at all, obviously. Let's define the priority to start working on.
(Vinod) I think ASoC has grown a lot with DPCM etc making it very dynamic atm. So yes it will help to add more
- Control names (Takashi) It's wild west for now, everyone picks up a random funky name.
(Vinod) yes, I think the current control names were too HDA specific. With DSP and audio hub proliferation on SoCs/Codecs revisiting this would certainly be great. Like how do I specify volume control for gain before a mixer, or gain in capture BE which is different from the one on capture FE.
- Code removals (Takashi) There have been actions to remove the codes for old hardware recently. Which is acceptable? Feature removals, too?
(Mark) Linus was muttering about ISA sound card drivers.
- Configuration convergence (Vinod) From the OS side, we have Desktop OSes relying on PA, Chrome using CRAS, Android using flinger. With DSPs and tons of configuration it doesn't bode well to have multiple configuration for same stuff for the sound cards. Can we talk about unifying the configuration at least. Sure OSes will have their own ways to use, but from ALSA can we standardize configurations which can be reused across.
(Takashi) I thought UCM was targeted to this, but not widely used as expected?
(Mark) Right, the problems with alsa-lib licensing and the changes in the configuration format have been a bit of a blocker - there are actually some substantial deployments of the pre-merge configuration file format.
- ChromeOS UCM usage (Dylan) I'm giving a talk with an overview of ChromeOS's audio system at ELC on Tuesday at 12:15, but aside from that I'll attend the whole day.
- tinyUCM (Mark?, Brian?) The latest Google reference designs use something which is essentially tinyucm - the configuration is mostly stored in an XML configuration file which is read at runtime. It's not consistent with what anyone else uses.
(Brian) Those must be the qcom designs. They use a “tinyucm" that is xml based.
(Mark) IIRC Manta was using it as well, I think it was the first device to do so.
- Mapping channels through DAI links in ASoC (Mark) I'm not sure anyone is intending to work on it in the immediate term so I'd suggest putting it on the end of the list as an "if we have time" kind of thing.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:11:30PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 08:21:38AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
- Code removals (Takashi) There have been actions to remove the codes for old hardware recently. Which is acceptable? Feature removals, too?
Linus was muttering about ISA sound card drivers.
Interesting, I thought Linus doesn't mind much about such "dead" drivers.
It was because they aren't automatically probeable without loading the driver and taking a look at the hardware - if a distro wants to use them it ends up having to load and unload the module.
At Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:19:53 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:11:30PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 08:21:38AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
- Code removals (Takashi) There have been actions to remove the codes for old hardware recently. Which is acceptable? Feature removals, too?
Linus was muttering about ISA sound card drivers.
Interesting, I thought Linus doesn't mind much about such "dead" drivers.
It was because they aren't automatically probeable without loading the driver and taking a look at the hardware - if a distro wants to use them it ends up having to load and unload the module.
So he was grumbling about ISA sound card hardware design? Then I understand and agree well. Though, the fact that it isn't discoverable is same on many old embedded device drivers. The difference is whether it's used only in a custom kernel or in a generic kernel by distros.
Takashi
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:28:24PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Mark Brown wrote:
It was because they aren't automatically probeable without loading the driver and taking a look at the hardware - if a distro wants to use them it ends up having to load and unload the module.
So he was grumbling about ISA sound card hardware design? Then I understand and agree well. Though, the fact that it isn't discoverable is same on many old embedded device drivers. The difference is whether it's used only in a custom kernel or in a generic kernel by distros.
Any embedded devices doing that are just broken - for embedded things you do always have an enumeration of the devices even if it happens to come from a data table in software. For ISA there's no option.
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:33:31AM +0200, Daniel Mack wrote:
Sure, logistically, it might indeed be better of course, and it wouldn't be a problem to cancel the ChaosDorf thing I guess - it's still two month in advance.
Let me know when we have a confirmed room at the conference venue, then I can let the ChaosDorf people know.
We've got a confirmed room from Linux Foundation for the Tuesday now! Please be sure to thank the Chaosdorf folks but I think we do prefer the on-site option?
At Tue, 2 Sep 2014 18:53:28 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:33:31AM +0200, Daniel Mack wrote:
Sure, logistically, it might indeed be better of course, and it wouldn't be a problem to cancel the ChaosDorf thing I guess - it's still two month in advance.
Let me know when we have a confirmed room at the conference venue, then I can let the ChaosDorf people know.
We've got a confirmed room from Linux Foundation for the Tuesday now!
Great, thanks for updates!
Please be sure to thank the Chaosdorf folks but I think we do prefer the on-site option?
Yes, I think so.
If everyone is happy with it, I'll wrap up the current proposals.
Takashi
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On 09/02/2014 07:53 PM, Mark Brown wrote:
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:33:31AM +0200, Daniel Mack wrote:
Sure, logistically, it might indeed be better of course, and it wouldn't be a problem to cancel the ChaosDorf thing I guess - it's still two month in advance.
Let me know when we have a confirmed room at the conference venue, then I can let the ChaosDorf people know.
We've got a confirmed room from Linux Foundation for the Tuesday now! Please be sure to thank the Chaosdorf folks but I think we do prefer the on-site option?
Alright, I also think it makes more sense to go for the room at the venue then.
I just cancelled the ChaosDorf and thanked them for the the offer :)
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:15:13AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
At Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:10:21 -0500, Mark Brown wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 05:55:17PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:34:30PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Yeah, Tuesday sounds good to me, too. Can we book a room for the whole day?
Mark, do you get no reply from Angela? If so, we can go heading this way.
I've not heard a thing from Angela, I was going to speak to the Linux Foundation people in person next week in Chicago (I'll probably do that no matter what since it's a bit concerning getting complete radio silence).
It'd be nicer to be in the same place as the rest of the conference but OTOH we don't want to muck the Chaosdorf folks around so it might make sense to just go ahead, I don't have a particularly strong preference either way I guess.
I just spoke to Angela - she was incredibly apologetic and said she didn't get my e-mails, I guess I've been hit by the same filtering problems that has been hitting Linus with some pull requests. She said we should be able to get something on Monday or Tuesday.
That's a good news!
I don't mind which option we go with, should I carry on or should I tell her we'll go with ChaosDorf?
Well, speaking of my preference, staying in the same location (the conference center) would be more practical. But I don't mind much either.
+1
So please do confirm either :)
Now back to topics
I heard Lar's topic on componentization. Any other topics?
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:15:13AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
At Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:10:21 -0500, Mark Brown wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 05:55:17PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:34:30PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Yeah, Tuesday sounds good to me, too. Can we book a room for the whole day?
Mark, do you get no reply from Angela? If so, we can go heading this way.
I've not heard a thing from Angela, I was going to speak to the Linux Foundation people in person next week in Chicago (I'll probably do that no matter what since it's a bit concerning getting complete radio silence).
It'd be nicer to be in the same place as the rest of the conference but OTOH we don't want to muck the Chaosdorf folks around so it might make sense to just go ahead, I don't have a particularly strong preference either way I guess.
I just spoke to Angela - she was incredibly apologetic and said she didn't get my e-mails, I guess I've been hit by the same filtering problems that has been hitting Linus with some pull requests. She said we should be able to get something on Monday or Tuesday.
That's a good news!
I don't mind which option we go with, should I carry on or should I tell her we'll go with ChaosDorf?
Well, speaking of my preference, staying in the same location (the conference center) would be more practical. But I don't mind much either.
+1
So please do confirm either :)
Now back to topics
I heard Lar's topic on componentization. Any other topics?
I believe you mentioned Dynamic FW. I think that would be a great topic.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 02:53:47PM -0500, Paul Handrigan wrote:
Now back to topics
I heard Lar's topic on componentization. Any other topics?
I believe you mentioned Dynamic FW. I think that would be a great topic.
Yes thats on the list too :) Me and Liam will try to send RFCs before the conference. At least on my side thats next todo after current mrfld driver is done.
We have working code atm. For the folks who want to look at early state of affairs, here are the trees: Kernel: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/vkoul/sound.git dfw-3.15 Usermode: git://git.infradead.org/users/vkoul/dynamic_fw.git
Any other topics?
At Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:51:09 +0530, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 02:53:47PM -0500, Paul Handrigan wrote:
Now back to topics
I heard Lar's topic on componentization. Any other topics?
I believe you mentioned Dynamic FW. I think that would be a great topic.
Yes thats on the list too :) Me and Liam will try to send RFCs before the conference. At least on my side thats next todo after current mrfld driver is done.
We have working code atm. For the folks who want to look at early state of affairs, here are the trees: Kernel: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/vkoul/sound.git dfw-3.15 Usermode: git://git.infradead.org/users/vkoul/dynamic_fw.git
Any other topics?
OK, I gather the topics that have been proposed so far and added a few that bubbled up in my mind below. Feel free to edit and repost in the thread.
thanks,
Takashi
===
Audio Miniconf 2014 Topics
- ASoC componentization (Lars)
- Dynamic FW (Vinod) Me and Liam will try to send RFCs before the conference. At least on my side thats next todo after current mrfld driver is done.
We have working code atm. For the folks who want to look at early state of affairs, here are the trees: Kernel: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/vkoul/sound.git dfw-3.15 Usermode: git://git.infradead.org/users/vkoul/dynamic_fw.git
- Effect API (yet again) (Vinod)
- More DSP support esp on PCM side (Vinod)
- Rewinding in ALSA PCM plugins (Alexander)
- Resampler quality evaluation for PulseAudio (Alexander)
- Testing / QA (Takashi) How people do test? Can we have some automation? (IIRC, openSUSE has some automatic audio test running on VM, but I forgot the details...)
- ABI/API documentation (Takashi) We're not good at this at all, obviously. Let's define the priority to start working on.
- Control names (Takashi) It's wild west for now, everyone picks up a random funky name.
- Code removals (Takashi) There have been actions to remove the codes for old hardware recently. Which is acceptable? Feature removals, too?
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 07:48:33AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
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Audio Miniconf 2014 Topics
ASoC componentization (Lars)
Dynamic FW (Vinod) Me and Liam will try to send RFCs before the conference. At least on my side thats next todo after current mrfld driver is done.
We have working code atm. For the folks who want to look at early state of affairs, here are the trees: Kernel: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/vkoul/sound.git dfw-3.15 Usermode: git://git.infradead.org/users/vkoul/dynamic_fw.git
Effect API (yet again) (Vinod)
More DSP support esp on PCM side (Vinod)
Rewinding in ALSA PCM plugins (Alexander)
Resampler quality evaluation for PulseAudio (Alexander)
Testing / QA (Takashi) How people do test? Can we have some automation? (IIRC, openSUSE has some automatic audio test running on VM, but I forgot the details...)
I would be interested in this as well, some test framework for auto regression checks would be great.
I think Mark would be at KS and can update if we can leverage something for kselftest stuff being discussed there
- ABI/API documentation (Takashi) We're not good at this at all, obviously. Let's define the priority to start working on.
I think ASoC has grown a lot with DPCM etc making it very dynamic atm. So yes it will help to add more
- Control names (Takashi) It's wild west for now, everyone picks up a random funky name.
yes, I think the current control names were too HDA specific. With DSP and audio hub proliferation on SoCs/Codecs revisiting this would certainly be great. Like how do I specify volume control for gain before a mixer, or gain in capture BE which is different from the one on capture FE.
- Code removals (Takashi) There have been actions to remove the codes for old hardware recently. Which is acceptable? Feature removals, too?
Configuration convergence:
From the OS side, we have Desktop OSes relying on PA, Chrome using CRAS,
Android using flinger. With DSPs and tons of configuration it doesn't bode well to have multiple configuration for same stuff for the sound cards. Can we talk about unifying the configuration at least. Sure OSes will have their own ways to use, but from ALSA can we standardize configurations which can be reused across.
And lastly, our users :) Ask from PA, Android, ChomesOS folks??
At Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:32:37 +0530, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 07:48:33AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
===
Audio Miniconf 2014 Topics
ASoC componentization (Lars)
Dynamic FW (Vinod) Me and Liam will try to send RFCs before the conference. At least on my side thats next todo after current mrfld driver is done.
We have working code atm. For the folks who want to look at early state of affairs, here are the trees: Kernel: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/vkoul/sound.git dfw-3.15 Usermode: git://git.infradead.org/users/vkoul/dynamic_fw.git
Effect API (yet again) (Vinod)
More DSP support esp on PCM side (Vinod)
Rewinding in ALSA PCM plugins (Alexander)
Resampler quality evaluation for PulseAudio (Alexander)
Testing / QA (Takashi) How people do test? Can we have some automation? (IIRC, openSUSE has some automatic audio test running on VM, but I forgot the details...)
I would be interested in this as well, some test framework for auto regression checks would be great.
I think Mark would be at KS and can update if we can leverage something for kselftest stuff being discussed there
Yep, let's see :)
- ABI/API documentation (Takashi) We're not good at this at all, obviously. Let's define the priority to start working on.
I think ASoC has grown a lot with DPCM etc making it very dynamic atm. So yes it will help to add more
- Control names (Takashi) It's wild west for now, everyone picks up a random funky name.
yes, I think the current control names were too HDA specific.
Actually, the current names are based on hardware in era before HD-audio. Even HD-audio doesn't fit fully with the current rule.
With DSP and audio hub proliferation on SoCs/Codecs revisiting this would certainly be great. Like how do I specify volume control for gain before a mixer, or gain in capture BE which is different from the one on capture FE.
- Code removals (Takashi) There have been actions to remove the codes for old hardware recently. Which is acceptable? Feature removals, too?
Configuration convergence:
From the OS side, we have Desktop OSes relying on PA, Chrome using CRAS,
Android using flinger. With DSPs and tons of configuration it doesn't bode well to have multiple configuration for same stuff for the sound cards. Can we talk about unifying the configuration at least. Sure OSes will have their own ways to use, but from ALSA can we standardize configurations which can be reused across.
I thought UCM was targeted to this, but not widely used as expected?
And lastly, our users :) Ask from PA, Android, ChomesOS folks??
Yeah. Let's throw a call for topic to relevant MLs when the schedule and location is finalized.
Takashi
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 09:33:05AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Configuration convergence: From the OS side, we have Desktop OSes relying on PA, Chrome using CRAS, Android using flinger. With DSPs and tons of configuration it doesn't bode well to have multiple configuration for same stuff for the sound cards. Can we talk about unifying the configuration at least. Sure OSes will have their own ways to use, but from ALSA can we standardize configurations which can be reused across.
I thought UCM was targeted to this, but not widely used as expected?
Chrome uses t but not Android due to licensing issues. What happend to tinyucm?
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 02:11:07PM +0530, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 09:33:05AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
I thought UCM was targeted to this, but not widely used as expected?
Chrome uses t but not Android due to licensing issues. What happend to tinyucm?
The latest Google reference designs use something which is essentially tinyucm - the configuration is mostly stored in an XML configuration file which is read at runtime. It's not consistent with what anyone else uses.
On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Mark Brown broonie@kernel.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 02:11:07PM +0530, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 09:33:05AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
I thought UCM was targeted to this, but not widely used as expected?
Chrome uses t but not Android due to licensing issues. What happend to tinyucm?
The latest Google reference designs use something which is essentially tinyucm - the configuration is mostly stored in an XML configuration file which is read at runtime. It's not consistent with what anyone else uses.
Those must be the qcom designs. They use a “tinyucm" that is xml based.
I would like to see if we could get a consistent UCM for Android/Chrome/etc. Has this made it into the topics list?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 01:47:22AM +0000, Austin, Brian wrote:
On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Mark Brown broonie@kernel.org wrote:
The latest Google reference designs use something which is essentially tinyucm - the configuration is mostly stored in an XML configuration file which is read at runtime. It's not consistent with what anyone else uses.
Those must be the qcom designs. They use a “tinyucm" that is xml based.
Yup.
I would like to see if we could get a consistent UCM for Android/Chrome/etc. Has this made it into the topics list?
Seems like there's a lot of interest in discussing it so it should.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 09:33:05AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Vinod Koul wrote:
Configuration convergence:
From the OS side, we have Desktop OSes relying on PA, Chrome using CRAS,
Android using flinger. With DSPs and tons of configuration it doesn't bode well to have multiple configuration for same stuff for the sound cards. Can we talk about unifying the configuration at least. Sure OSes will have their own ways to use, but from ALSA can we standardize configurations which can be reused across.
I thought UCM was targeted to this, but not widely used as expected?
Right, the problems with alsa-lib licensing and the changes in the configuration format have been a bit of a blocker - there are actually some substantial deployments of the pre-merge configuration file format.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Takashi Iwai tiwai@suse.de wrote:
At Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:32:37 +0530, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 07:48:33AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
===
Audio Miniconf 2014 Topics
ASoC componentization (Lars)
Dynamic FW (Vinod) Me and Liam will try to send RFCs before the conference. At least on my side thats next todo after current mrfld driver is done.
We have working code atm. For the folks who want to look at early state of affairs, here are the trees: Kernel: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/vkoul/sound.git dfw-3.15 Usermode: git://git.infradead.org/users/vkoul/dynamic_fw.git
Effect API (yet again) (Vinod)
More DSP support esp on PCM side (Vinod)
Rewinding in ALSA PCM plugins (Alexander)
Resampler quality evaluation for PulseAudio (Alexander)
Testing / QA (Takashi) How people do test? Can we have some automation? (IIRC, openSUSE has some automatic audio test running on VM, but I forgot the details...)
I would be interested in this as well, some test framework for auto regression checks would be great.
I think Mark would be at KS and can update if we can leverage something for kselftest stuff being discussed there
Yep, let's see :)
- ABI/API documentation (Takashi) We're not good at this at all, obviously. Let's define the priority to start working on.
I think ASoC has grown a lot with DPCM etc making it very dynamic atm. So yes it will help to add more
- Control names (Takashi) It's wild west for now, everyone picks up a random funky name.
yes, I think the current control names were too HDA specific.
Actually, the current names are based on hardware in era before HD-audio. Even HD-audio doesn't fit fully with the current rule.
With DSP and audio hub proliferation on SoCs/Codecs revisiting this would certainly be great. Like how do I specify volume control for gain before a mixer, or gain in capture BE which is different from the one on capture FE.
- Code removals (Takashi) There have been actions to remove the codes for old hardware recently. Which is acceptable? Feature removals, too?
Configuration convergence:
From the OS side, we have Desktop OSes relying on PA, Chrome using CRAS,
Android using flinger. With DSPs and tons of configuration it doesn't bode well to have multiple configuration for same stuff for the sound cards. Can we talk about unifying the configuration at least. Sure OSes will have their own ways to use, but from ALSA can we standardize configurations which can be reused across.
I thought UCM was targeted to this, but not widely used as expected?
And lastly, our users :) Ask from PA, Android, ChomesOS folks??
Yeah. Let's throw a call for topic to relevant MLs when the schedule and location is finalized.
I'll be there and can talk about ChromeOS UCM usage. I'm giving a talk with an overview of ChromeOS's audio system at ELC on Tuesday at 12:15, but aside from that I'll attend the whole day.
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On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:32:37PM +0530, Vinod Koul wrote:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 07:48:33AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
- Testing / QA (Takashi) How people do test? Can we have some automation? (IIRC, openSUSE has some automatic audio test running on VM, but I forgot the details...)
I would be interested in this as well, some test framework for auto regression checks would be great.
I think Mark would be at KS and can update if we can leverage something for kselftest stuff being discussed there
Not really, it's more about standardising the way tests are triggered and reported.
On 2014-08-20 07:48, Takashi Iwai wrote:
- Testing / QA (Takashi) How people do test? Can we have some automation?
I run automated tests of the HDA codec parser code and has done so for quite a while now. Not much has happened the last year, but I can talk about it if anyone is interested. (It's a test framework around hda-emu.)
On 2014-07-23 00:20, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 07:55:22AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Of course it's possible to hold a meeting in a different place at different time. I can book a meeting room in my office in Nuremberg, too, for example. Let's see.
Right, though that might get more difficult for people to organize travel. Trying to find some space ad hoc in Dusseldorf might also work.
While we're trying to sort out the location, could we have a quick poll w r t which dates people prefer? Setting a date could help people book travel to Düsseldorf.
For my own part, I'm pretty flexible.
29.07.2014 12:53, David Henningsson пишет:
On 2014-07-23 00:20, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 07:55:22AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Of course it's possible to hold a meeting in a different place at different time. I can book a meeting room in my office in Nuremberg, too, for example. Let's see.
Right, though that might get more difficult for people to organize travel. Trying to find some space ad hoc in Dusseldorf might also work.
While we're trying to sort out the location, could we have a quick poll w r t which dates people prefer? Setting a date could help people book travel to Düsseldorf.
For my own part, I'm pretty flexible.
For me it is OK if it is either during LinuxCon Europe or during Plumbers or immediately before/after. Basically, the requirement is to be able to book a room in the hotel that works for all three events.
At Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:53:59 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
On 2014-07-23 00:20, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 07:55:22AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Of course it's possible to hold a meeting in a different place at different time. I can book a meeting room in my office in Nuremberg, too, for example. Let's see.
Right, though that might get more difficult for people to organize travel. Trying to find some space ad hoc in Dusseldorf might also work.
While we're trying to sort out the location, could we have a quick poll w r t which dates people prefer? Setting a date could help people book travel to Düsseldorf.
For my own part, I'm pretty flexible.
Me, too, fairly flexible.
Takashi
On Tue, 2014-07-29 at 08:53 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
On 2014-07-23 00:20, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 07:55:22AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Of course it's possible to hold a meeting in a different place at different time. I can book a meeting room in my office in Nuremberg, too, for example. Let's see.
Right, though that might get more difficult for people to organize travel. Trying to find some space ad hoc in Dusseldorf might also work.
While we're trying to sort out the location, could we have a quick poll w r t which dates people prefer? Setting a date could help people book travel to Düsseldorf.
For my own part, I'm pretty flexible.
I'm flexible too, any day is fine.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:16:59PM +0300, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
On Tue, 2014-07-29 at 08:53 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
While we're trying to sort out the location, could we have a quick poll w r t which dates people prefer? Setting a date could help people book travel to Düsseldorf.
For my own part, I'm pretty flexible.
I'm flexible too, any day is fine.
Me too, I'd prefer not to have a day that's a LPC day but it isn't the end of the world.
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:16:59PM +0300, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
On Tue, 2014-07-29 at 08:53 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
While we're trying to sort out the location, could we have a quick poll w r t which dates people prefer? Setting a date could help people book travel to Düsseldorf.
For my own part, I'm pretty flexible.
I'm flexible too, any day is fine.
Me too, I'd prefer not to have a day that's a LPC day but it isn't the end of the world.
After LPC would be good if possible. Any thoughts?
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 07:27:34PM -0500, Paul Handrigan wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:16:59PM +0300, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
On Tue, 2014-07-29 at 08:53 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
While we're trying to sort out the location, could we have a quick poll w r t which dates people prefer? Setting a date could help people book travel to Düsseldorf.
For my own part, I'm pretty flexible.
I'm flexible too, any day is fine.
Me too, I'd prefer not to have a day that's a LPC day but it isn't the end of the world.
After LPC would be good if possible. Any thoughts?
Okay joining this bit late :)
I am planning to come. After/before LPC is fine with me.
So who else is attending and what are the topics being planned?
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 6:09 AM, Vinod Koul vinod.koul@intel.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 07:27:34PM -0500, Paul Handrigan wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:16:59PM +0300, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
On Tue, 2014-07-29 at 08:53 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
While we're trying to sort out the location, could we have a quick poll w r t which dates people prefer? Setting a date could help people book travel to Düsseldorf.
For my own part, I'm pretty flexible.
I'm flexible too, any day is fine.
Me too, I'd prefer not to have a day that's a LPC day but it isn't the end of the world.
After LPC would be good if possible. Any thoughts?
Okay joining this bit late :)
I am planning to come. After/before LPC is fine with me.
So who else is attending and what are the topics being planned?
I'm planning on attending, any time and place close to LPC works for me.
-Dylan
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Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:16:59PM +0300, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
On Tue, 2014-07-29 at 08:53 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
While we're trying to sort out the location, could we have a quick poll w r t which dates people prefer? Setting a date could help people book travel to Düsseldorf. For my own part, I'm pretty flexible.
I'm flexible too, any day is fine.
Me too, I'd prefer not to have a day that's a LPC day but it isn't the end of the world.
Alsa-devel mailing list Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel
Project ends up due to frequency problems ... ags.sf.net really has a need for participation or I'll give it up
Please tell me if you're interested in further development of it.
regards Joël
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