[alsa-devel] alsa-firmware licensing
As part of the Fedora Project [1], I'm trying to package [2] the ALSA firmware up for easy distribution to Fedora users.
The trouble is that the licensing seems unclear. Specifically:
a) Several firmwares claim to be under the GPL but don't specify a version and don't include source - see https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=3411
b) More worryingly, the Emagic EMI 2|6 firmware appears to be under a "license" which prohibits ANY redistribution. Quoting from emi_26_62/license.txt (my emphasis):
"The firmware contained herein is Copyright (c) 1999-2002 Emagic as an unpublished work. This notice does not imply unrestricted or public access to this firmware which is a trade secret of Emagic, and which ***may not be reproduced, used, sold or transferred to any third party without Emagic's written consent.***"
Does the ALSA project have special authorisation ("written consent") to distribute this? Who within the ALSA project is responsible for the -firmware package and might be able to help resolve some of these queries? Does anyone have a contact at Emagic (which seems to have been bought by Apple) to discuss relaxing the firmware conditions slightly?
Any information most welcome. We'd really like to get the firmware in Fedora.
Thanks,
Tim
[1] http://www.fedoraproject.org/ [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=217259
Tim Jackson wrote:
b) More worryingly, the Emagic EMI 2|6 firmware appears to be under a "license" which prohibits ANY redistribution. Quoting from emi_26_62/license.txt (my emphasis):
"The firmware contained herein is Copyright (c) 1999-2002 Emagic as an unpublished work. This notice does not imply unrestricted or public access to this firmware which is a trade secret of Emagic, and which ***may not be reproduced, used, sold or transferred to any third party without Emagic's written consent.***"
The emi firmware files are copies of linux/drivers/usb/misc/emi26_fw.h and emi62_fw_*.h. emi26_fw.h contains three copies of this "license", but only the first one contains this paragraph which is missing in license.txt:
| Permission is hereby granted for the distribution of this firmware | image as part of a Linux or other Open Source operating system kernel | in text or binary form as required.
I've added this paragraph to license.txt.
Does the ALSA project have special authorisation ("written consent") to distribute this?
Well, I'd guess the alsa-firmware package is part of Linux.
Please note that the emi26 and emi62 drivers still use the in-kernel copies of their firmware images; the files in alsa-firmware are as yet unused.
Does anyone have a contact at Emagic (which seems to have been bought by Apple) to discuss relaxing the firmware conditions slightly?
Emagic helped writing the emi26 driver, but these devices were discontinued shortly after Apple bought Emagic. AFAIK nobody now at Apple knows, or cares.
Regards, Clemens
At Mon, 07 Jan 2008 11:41:21 +0100, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
Tim Jackson wrote:
b) More worryingly, the Emagic EMI 2|6 firmware appears to be under a "license" which prohibits ANY redistribution. Quoting from emi_26_62/license.txt (my emphasis):
"The firmware contained herein is Copyright (c) 1999-2002 Emagic as an unpublished work. This notice does not imply unrestricted or public access to this firmware which is a trade secret of Emagic, and which ***may not be reproduced, used, sold or transferred to any third party without Emagic's written consent.***"
The emi firmware files are copies of linux/drivers/usb/misc/emi26_fw.h and emi62_fw_*.h. emi26_fw.h contains three copies of this "license", but only the first one contains this paragraph which is missing in license.txt:
| Permission is hereby granted for the distribution of this firmware | image as part of a Linux or other Open Source operating system kernel | in text or binary form as required.
I've added this paragraph to license.txt.
Does the ALSA project have special authorisation ("written consent") to distribute this?
Well, I'd guess the alsa-firmware package is part of Linux.
And Linux kernel is under GPL v2, so it must be OK. It'd be better to add the note that this firmware data is copied from the linux kernel tree and show the kernel license (GPLv2) explicitly for emi2|6 stuff, together with the original copyright of the driver source code.
I think other firmwares copied from the kernel tree (maestro3, ymfpci, etc) should include the similar note, too.
Clemens, could you add that?
Thanks,
Takashi
Clemens Ladisch wrote:
Thanks for all your help Clemens and apologies for the slow reply.
Tim Jackson wrote:
[... emi firmware licensing]
The emi firmware files are copies of linux/drivers/usb/misc/emi26_fw.h and emi62_fw_*.h. emi26_fw.h contains three copies of this "license", but only the first one contains this paragraph which is missing in license.txt:
| Permission is hereby granted for the distribution of this firmware | image as part of a Linux or other Open Source operating system kernel | in text or binary form as required.
I've added this paragraph to license.txt.
Thanks.
Does the ALSA project have special authorisation ("written consent") to distribute this?
Well, I'd guess the alsa-firmware package is part of Linux.
Unfortunately I don't think that's a "guess" that some distributors such as Fedora can risk to take. Although ALSA is of course part of a "Linux ... kernel", the wording "as part of" is ambiguous and there's certainly an argument that a standalone ALSA firmware package (i.e. not distributed along with the rest of the kernel) is not "distribution...as part of" a kernel.
Much though I'd *like* these firmwares to be distributable, unless those licensing terms get changed, I think we'll have to drop those particular firmwares in Fedora.
Please note that the emi26 and emi62 drivers still use the in-kernel copies of their firmware images; the files in alsa-firmware are as yet unused.
That's useful, thanks. Is the plan to drop the in-kernel ones at some point then? At least this means if we do drop the firmware it won't have any negative effect, at least at the moment.
Thanks
Tim
Tim Jackson wrote:
Clemens Ladisch wrote:
Please note that the emi26 and emi62 drivers still use the in-kernel copies of their firmware images; the files in alsa-firmware are as yet unused.
That's useful, thanks. Is the plan to drop the in-kernel ones at some point then?
Yes; as soon as we find somebody with such a device to test the changes. (It's possible that this will never happen ...)
Regards, Clemens
Oh hey, i didnt read this carefully enough.
I actually have one that i would be happy to give away.
Who can i send it to?
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:13:21 +0100 "Clemens Ladisch" cladisch@fastmail.net wrote:
Tim Jackson wrote:
Clemens Ladisch wrote:
Please note that the emi26 and emi62 drivers still use the in-kernel copies of their firmware images; the files in alsa-firmware are as yet unused.
That's useful, thanks. Is the plan to drop the in-kernel ones at some point then?
Yes; as soon as we find somebody with such a device to test the changes. (It's possible that this will never happen ...)
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At Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:15:31 +0000, Tim Jackson wrote:
As part of the Fedora Project [1], I'm trying to package [2] the ALSA firmware up for easy distribution to Fedora users.
The trouble is that the licensing seems unclear. Specifically:
a) Several firmwares claim to be under the GPL but don't specify a version and don't include source - see https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=3411
The firmware data there are example data, as explicitly writtein in README. They are no program to run, in our definition.
The version should follow the one in COPYING included in the tarball unless different defined in each subdirectory.
Takashi
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