[alsa-devel] bat: naming conflict in distribution packages with Bareos/Bacula
Hello,
my name is Jörg Steffens and I'm one of the maintainers of the Bareos backup software project. Bareos is a fork Bacula.
Bareos includes a GUI program called bat (bareos administration tool). bat have been around since 2007.
alsa-utils as well as bareos-bat (as well a some Bacula packages) all contain a program called /usr/bin/bat, which causes conflicts on various distributions ("basic audio tester" vs "bareos administration tool" ("bacula administration tool")). See http://pkgs.org/search//usr/bin/bat
We received a bug report/feature request https://bugs.bareos.org/view.php?id=576 from Michel, the maintainer of Bareos for Arch Linux about how to solve the naming conflict with we latest ALSA 1.1.0.
I wanted to raise the question, if you are aware of this potential problem? Maybe you have guidelines for package maintainers how to solve this. Some distributions have separated "basic audio tester" from the alsa-utils package, like Fedora with alsa-utils-bat. I think, this will work out well, as I assume "basic audio tester" is not stricly required on all systems. "bareos administration tool" at least is optional and typical installed on administrative workstations.
regards, Jörg
Hi,
sorry for the late response, as this post buried behind many Christmas tree decorations...
On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:59:55 +0100, J6rg Steffens wrote:
Hello,
my name is Jörg Steffens and I'm one of the maintainers of the Bareos backup software project. Bareos is a fork Bacula.
Bareos includes a GUI program called bat (bareos administration tool). bat have been around since 2007.
alsa-utils as well as bareos-bat (as well a some Bacula packages) all contain a program called /usr/bin/bat, which causes conflicts on various distributions ("basic audio tester" vs "bareos administration tool" ("bacula administration tool")). See http://pkgs.org/search//usr/bin/bat
We received a bug report/feature request https://bugs.bareos.org/view.php?id=576 from Michel, the maintainer of Bareos for Arch Linux about how to solve the naming conflict with we latest ALSA 1.1.0.
I wanted to raise the question, if you are aware of this potential problem? Maybe you have guidelines for package maintainers how to solve this. Some distributions have separated "basic audio tester" from the alsa-utils package, like Fedora with alsa-utils-bat. I think, this will work out well, as I assume "basic audio tester" is not stricly required on all systems. "bareos administration tool" at least is optional and typical installed on administrative workstations.
It's bad to have such a naming conflict, indeed. This wasn't intentional, of course.
I, as one of maintainers, am neutral about renaming: if other people prefer keeping this, I'd say simply to push this to each distro packager. How to solve such an issue pretty depends on the distribution. And they (must) know well such a case.
OTOH, if we all agree with renaming to something less likely conflicting, I'm all fine with it. It's a new program, so not too much impact yet by a rename, I suppose.
Let's first ask Intel people who are the author of our BAT.
thanks,
Takashi
On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 16:07 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
Hi,
sorry for the late response, as this post buried behind many Christmas tree decorations...
Sorry, didn't see this either....
On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:59:55 +0100, J6rg Steffens wrote:
Hello,
my name is Jörg Steffens and I'm one of the maintainers of the Bareos backup software project. Bareos is a fork Bacula.
Bareos includes a GUI program called bat (bareos administration tool). bat have been around since 2007.
alsa-utils as well as bareos-bat (as well a some Bacula packages) all contain a program called /usr/bin/bat, which causes conflicts on various distributions ("basic audio tester" vs "bareos administration tool" ("bacula administration tool")). See http://pkgs.org/search//usr/bin/bat
We received a bug report/feature request https://bugs.bareos.org/view.php?id=576 from Michel, the maintainer of Bareos for Arch Linux about how to solve the naming conflict with we latest ALSA 1.1.0.
I wanted to raise the question, if you are aware of this potential problem? Maybe you have guidelines for package maintainers how to solve this. Some distributions have separated "basic audio tester" from the alsa-utils package, like Fedora with alsa-utils-bat. I think, this will work out well, as I assume "basic audio tester" is not stricly required on all systems. "bareos administration tool" at least is optional and typical installed on administrative workstations.
It's bad to have such a naming conflict, indeed. This wasn't intentional, of course.
It certainly wasn't, I did check for collisions on a few distros but none of then had Bareos installed.
I, as one of maintainers, am neutral about renaming: if other people prefer keeping this, I'd say simply to push this to each distro packager. How to solve such an issue pretty depends on the distribution. And they (must) know well such a case.
OTOH, if we all agree with renaming to something less likely conflicting, I'm all fine with it. It's a new program, so not too much impact yet by a rename, I suppose.
Let's first ask Intel people who are the author of our BAT.
What about prefixing "alsa" or "a" to to bat ? We already have alsamixer, aplay, alsactl....
Thanks
Liam
thanks,
Takashi
Liam Girdwood wrote:
On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 16:07 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
J6rg Steffens wrote:
alsa-utils as well as bareos-bat (as well a some Bacula packages) all contain a program called /usr/bin/bat, which causes conflicts on various distributions ("basic audio tester" vs "bareos administration tool" ("bacula administration tool")).
[...] OTOH, if we all agree with renaming to something less likely conflicting, I'm all fine with it.
What about prefixing "alsa" or "a" to to bat ?
Why not calling it basic-audio-test (like speaker-test)?
Regards, Clemens
-----Original Message----- From: Clemens Ladisch [mailto:clemens@ladisch.de] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:03 AM To: Liam Girdwood; Takashi Iwai Cc: J6rg Steffens; alsa-devel@alsa-project.org; Gautier, Bernard; Lu, Han Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] bat: naming conflict in distribution packages with Bareos/Bacula
Liam Girdwood wrote:
On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 16:07 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
J6rg Steffens wrote:
alsa-utils as well as bareos-bat (as well a some Bacula packages) all contain a program called /usr/bin/bat, which causes conflicts on various distributions ("basic audio tester" vs "bareos administration tool" ("bacula administration tool")).
[...] OTOH, if we all agree with renaming to something less likely conflicting, I'm all fine with it.
What about prefixing "alsa" or "a" to to bat ?
Why not calling it basic-audio-test (like speaker-test)?
Regards, Clemens
I prefer "alsabat" since there are many acronym "bat" in code and document already, "basic-audio-test" is more clear but the name "alsabat" keeps sync with original name.
BR, Han
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