[alsa-devel] ESI reply!! (MAYA44 datasheet request)
Hi Piotr,
thank you very much for your email. The data sheet and information you request does not exist in any format that we could provide and frankly, we are way too busy with our normal work to prepare something like that in a way that would be of general use and would resemble what you require in your request. I am well aware of the general request and I know the text you sent us pretty well ... I have seen it many times before in various versions, usually copied via cut & paste and sent to us in one way or another ... and actually I am a bit tired of it. Unfortunatly we believe that the text and the way the request is sent to us is not really useful and not tailored at all to the special requirements that are common in this industry (pro audio / higher level sound card manufacturers) and that make this industry very different from your auverage computer component manufacturer. It's my personal experience, following the ALSA developer community for years, that this sort of basic cultural understanding is only slowly changing step-by-step but at a much slower pace than it could happen. Unfortunatly the majority of ALSA developers still seem to be "computer guys" and not "music guys" ... causing all sorts of problems that won't help to resolve the culture crash between the different parties. Most "music" companies work in a different way than typical IT companies. Our business are much smaller, and time of every single employee is extremly critical for us. I guess this all may sound ignorant to you, but please understand that I know what I am talking about to a pretty good extent (you can actually look up my name on the ALSA site where I am listed under contributors - http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/ALSA_contributors - so I have experience on both sides). Again, we are happy to be in contact with the individual developer who is actually doing the development. If you volunteer to do the development yourself and/or if you know someone who would do it, please inform me and we can go from there. Please don't get me wrong, I understand what you want and where you are coming from, but this direct contact with the developer is a basic requirement for us - sorry. Best regards, Claus Riethmueller Managing Director ESI Audiotechnik GmbH
Reffering to the Claus Riethmueller reply (from ESI ) I would like to announce that *we are looking for the competent driver programmer.* Anybody who could take on this quest or know somebody to contact with, please do it. We were waiting for ESI MAYA44 drivers for a long time. I think, this is the great moment to write them at last!! I count on you.
Regards, Piotr Makowski
2007/8/22, Piotr Makowski oponek@gmail.com:
Hi Piotr,
thank you very much for your email. The data sheet and information you request does not exist in any format that we could provide and frankly, we are way too busy with our normal work to prepare something like that in a way that would be of general use and would resemble what you require in your request. I am well aware of the general request and I know the text you sent us pretty well ... I have seen it many times before in various versions, usually copied via cut & paste and sent to us in one way or another ... and actually I am a bit tired of it. Unfortunatly we believe that the text and the way the request is sent to us is not really useful and not tailored at all to the special requirements that are common in this industry (pro audio / higher level sound card manufacturers) and that make this industry very different from your auverage computer component manufacturer. It's my personal experience, following the ALSA developer community for years, that this sort of basic cultural understanding is only slowly changing step-by-step but at a much slower pace than it could happen. Unfortunatly the majority of ALSA developers still seem to be "computer guys" and not "music guys" ... causing all sorts of problems that won't help to resolve the culture crash between the different parties. Most "music" companies work in a different way than typical IT companies. Our business are much smaller, and time of every single employee is extremly critical for us. I guess this all may sound ignorant to you, but please understand that I know what I am talking about to a pretty good extent (you can actually look up my name on the ALSA site where I am listed under contributors - http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/ALSA_contributors - so I have experience on both sides). Again, we are happy to be in contact with the individual developer who is actually doing the development. If you volunteer to do the development yourself and/or if you know someone who would do it, please inform me and we can go from there. Please don't get me wrong, I understand what you want and where you are coming from, but this direct contact with the developer is a basic requirement for us - sorry. Best regards, Claus Riethmueller Managing Director ESI Audiotechnik GmbH
Piotr Makowski wrote:
Hi Piotr,
thank you very much for your email. The data sheet and information you request does not exist in any format that we could provide and frankly, we are way too busy with our normal work to prepare something like that in a way that would be of general use and would resemble what you require in your request.
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Please don't get me wrong, I understand what you want and where you are coming from, but this direct contact with the developer is a basic requirement for us - sorry. Best regards, Claus Riethmueller Managing Director ESI Audiotechnik GmbH
Hi,
So, basically, ESI cannot help us. I am amazed that they can write any sort of driver without some sort of datasheet. But I do know it does happen, because I have received datasheets that were only written years after a particular sound card was first sold. I would like to stress, that the datasheet does not have to be perfect. We would be quite happy if it has spelling mistakes in, and some wrongly labeled registers. I have received datasheets from other manufactures where some engineer has just scribbled some notes on the back of a piece of paper. The important point I am trying to make is that the data about the sound card does not have to prettily laid out or even 100% accurate. We just need something that helps save us time in developing a driver. Ideally, it should be in some editable electronic format, so that ALSA developers can edit and correct errors in the document as and when they find them.
Now, if ESI cannot even provide this, we should highlight ESI in RED in the sound card matrix.
Kind Regards
James
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James Courtier-Dutton
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Piotr Makowski