Takashi, your efforts have not gone unnoticed. Very appreciated of what you accomplished in such a small timeframe.

I finally stuffed the X-Fi in my workstation today as I had to install a HiFn crypto accelerator card anyways.

The Creative provided source compiles into a single kernel module, unlike the huge binary mess Creative released back in April.

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:26:10 +0100 Takashi Iwai tiwai@suse.de wrote:

At Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:20:09 +0300, The Source wrote:

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Bjoern Olausson пишет:

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Creative released a driver today.... I am hasitating to install it.. the last one was so crappy and I just installed my gentoo new ;-)

But it looks really like the SOURCE, so maybe it will help to pimp the ALSA driver (would rather see an implementation in alsa then an driver from Creative)

http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&...

http://support.creative.com/downloads/download.aspx?nDownloadId=10792

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Tried that driver. It oopses for my system (2.6.26.6-79.fc9.x86_64). I attached dmesg output with oops trace log. Since that driver is open source, this log might be interesting for you. Pergaps you can get the driver to working state?

Perhaps, but I don't want to give such a funny game like debugging away from you ;)

Yeah, I'm going to check their driver later, maybe tomorrow or weekend (I've been pretty busy in these weeks for other stuff).

Anyway it's a great news if they really opened the source codes. Hopefully my work wasn't a waste... at least to motivate them toward the right direction.

thanks,

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At Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:26:10 +0100, I wrote:

Yeah, I'm going to check their driver later, maybe tomorrow or weekend

Did take a quick glance through their code now. A good news is that it's much better than I was concerned. There are a few things to be fixed / discussed, but basically it shouldn't be that difficult.

Can anyone have a contact with them? If they are interested in the upstream merging, please give my name and address as the contact person.

thanks,

Takashi

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 08:45, Takashi Iwai tiwai@suse.de wrote:

At Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:26:10 +0100, I wrote:

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Yeah, I'm going to check their driver later, maybe tomorrow or weekend

Did take a quick glance through their code now. A good news is that it's much better than I was concerned. There are a few things to be fixed / discussed, but basically it shouldn't be that difficult.

Can anyone have a contact with them? If they are interested in the upstream merging, please give my name and address as the contact person.

I posted in the driver feedback forum and asked them to get in contact with you or me, so lets see what happens.

http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&...

Kind regards Bjoern

At Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:55:04 +0100, Bjoern Olausson wrote:

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 06:14, Bjoern Olausson lkmlist@gmail.com wrote:

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Did take a quick glance through their code now. A good news is that it's much better than I was concerned. There are a few things to be fixed / discussed, but basically it shouldn't be that difficult.

Can anyone have a contact with them? If they are interested in the upstream merging, please give my name and address as the contact person.

I posted in the driver feedback forum and asked them to get in contact with you or me, so lets see what happens.

http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&...

Seems there is no way to get in contact with the Devs directly, no bugtracker, nothing... just that forum... (but I guess no dev is ?allowed/willing? to write in this forum) I don't really understand the way creative communicates with it's customers... so lets see if someone will contact you... my guess is no...

Well, let's hope it.

thanks,

Takashi

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:33, James Courtier-Dutton James@superbug.co.uk wrote:

All the good contacts I had at Creative have left the company. From what I understand of how the company works internally, is that the only reason they have this open source driver is because some large customer of theirs required it. They have no interest in what happens to the driver over and above supporting the one customer that requested it. I therefore doubt that they will make any contact with us regarding getting the driver into the kernel. If that was the case, they would have approached us earlier.

Kind Regards

James

If you are right, that would be a straight hit in the face of every Linux X-Fi user and the OpenSource community. So sad... but thanks for the info.

Lets hope the best.

Bjoern

Vedran Miletić wrote:

2008/11/11 Bjoern Olausson lkmlist@gmail.com:

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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:33, James Courtier-Dutton James@superbug.co.uk wrote:

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All the good contacts I had at Creative have left the company. From what I understand of how the company works internally, is that the only reason they have this open source driver is because some large customer of theirs required it. They have no interest in what happens to the driver over and above supporting the one customer that requested it. I therefore doubt that they will make any contact with us regarding getting the driver into the kernel. If that was the case, they would have approached us earlier.

Kind Regards

James

If you are right, that would be a straight hit in the face of every Linux X-Fi user and the OpenSource community. So sad... but thanks for the info.

Lets hope the best.

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Then show your appreciation to Creative by never ever buying any of their products again. That's what I'm going to do.

Honestly, at least they did something. There are sound card manufacturers that never released a single line of code, nor did they offer NDAs to ALSA developers.

If it is for a large customer, I cannot imagine he would be satisfied with the current state of the released driver. But I may be wrong, as often :)

Pavel.

Confirmed working with Auzentech Prelude X-Fi. Hardware mixing with multiple streams works as well. SPDIF-out also working.

Kernel 2.6.27 on x86.

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:20:09 +0300 The Source thesourcehim@gmail.com wrote:

Bjoern Olausson пишет:

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Creative released a driver today.... I am hasitating to install it.. the last one was so crappy and I just installed my gentoo new ;-)

But it looks really like the SOURCE, so maybe it will help to pimp the ALSA driver (would rather see an implementation in alsa then an driver from Creative)

http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&...

http://support.creative.com/downloads/download.aspx?nDownloadId=10792

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Tried that driver. It oopses for my system (2.6.26.6-79.fc9.x86_64). I attached dmesg output with oops trace log. Since that driver is open source, this log might be interesting for you. Pergaps you can get the driver to working state?

Toby пишет:

2008/11/7 Bjoern Olausson lkmlist@gmail.com:

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Creative released a driver today.... I am hasitating to install it.. the last one was so crappy and I just installed my gentoo new ;-)

But it looks really like the SOURCE, so maybe it will help to pimp the ALSA driver (would rather see an implementation in alsa then an driver from Creative)

Is the new driver providing an ALSA device, or an OSS-style /dev/dsp one?

Personally I'd rather see an open-source driver make it into ALSA to support the X-Fi, rather than relying upon Creative's terrible quality and dreadful timeliness.

I'll try out the Creative driver on the weekend, and see if it works where the ALSA one doesn't. (I just get loops of static from the experimental ALSA driver.. it's like a memory ring buffer somewhere is *meant* to be getting filled with an audio stream, but isn't - but the card is still playing from it.)

Cheers. Toby

It was incompatibility with older kernels. Updated to 2.6.27 and driver works now. But no 5.1 support again :(

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 05:42, The Source thesourcehim@gmail.com wrote:

It was incompatibility with older kernels. Updated to 2.6.27 and driver works now. But no 5.1 support again :(

speaker-test -c 6 at least plays sound on Front-Left, Center and Front-Right.

No sound on the rear speakers or on the Subwoofer....

But hey, it's half the way...

kind regards Bjoern

Bjoern Olausson пишет:

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 05:42, The Source thesourcehim@gmail.com wrote:

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It was incompatibility with older kernels. Updated to 2.6.27 and driver works now. But no 5.1 support again :(

speaker-test -c 6 at least plays sound on Front-Left, Center and Front-Right.

No sound on the rear speakers or on the Subwoofer....

But hey, it's half the way...

kind regards Bjoern

Center doesn't play for me. Only Front left and right.

Did someone start to do some work on the driver and do some bugfixing? Or does Creative forbid to work on the driver and bring up some patches/fixes and new Features. And what about the Control Panel? Can someone manage it to bring support for the driver?

I would do it by myself, but I'm in game developing and have no clue how to work on a driver.