Hi,
As I tried to explain, this is not specific for alsamixergui, and it is not a bug, as it is a hardware problem. There is no way for the software to know what would be these “hazardous” levels, as this is hardware specific. And again, alsamixergui is just a graphical frontend. The command line alsamixer does the same thing.
Maarten
On 31 Mar 2015, at 12:49, Nikita N. nikitan@operamail.com wrote:
Dear Maarten de Boer, as you read from many voices here, your software is verified can damage the speakers, if not used somehow correctly. The definition of correctly is still to us unknown, nor you are giving us any hope in that. We were hoping in some form of amend from yourself, about the dangerous software you produced and distributed to public. We were hoping in some form of bug fix or any professional approach to solving that issue. We were hoping at least in a simple warning popping up from your tool, when user sets any "hazardous" levels. We were hoping at least-least in a warning popping up from your tool at runtime, something like "Warning: improper settings for this level, this level and this might result in damages to your audio devices". But, we only see a nice turnaround "There is not much that I can add". Your program does not respect the minimum requirement for a software to be published, such as being "reasonably" bug free. As for "bug" is intended a software which is limited in creating software problems. While instead, your tool expands to a whole new, and more dangerous level - hardware damage. Hence your software, as is, doesn't respect our Debian/Ubuntu philosophy. So, at this point "There is not much that" we can add. We also wish you "Good luck with that."
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 03:26 AM, Maarten de Boer wrote:
Hello,
I am the author of alsamixergui. I am not actively maintaining alsamixergui anymore (and haven’t been for years). It is pretty much coincidence that I saw this mail thread; a slightly more informative subject would have helped.
There is not much that I can add to this thread (thanks everyone for your replies), but in short:
- alsamixergui is just a graphical frontend, and exposes the mixer
capabilities of the sound card in the same way alsamixer, amixer or any other alsa mixer does, so this is not alsamixergui specific. (strongly based on the alsamixer code (verbatim) with fltk gui code added to it.).
- this is not a software problem, this is a hardware problem. The user
adjusts the mixer to cause a feedback between speaker and internal microphone, and leaves this running for >30 seconds, and his hardware can’t deal with it. It is probably not even operating system specific.
Finally, I really don’t like the tone you use, Nikita, particularly your talk of “exposing the individuals guilty” and your accusations of secrecy. And "expose clearly to the public that tool as a virus/malware, and inform the antivirus authorities about it.”, really? Good luck with that.
If you want to blacklist alsamixergui from your distro, please go ahead, but don’t forget to blacklist alsamixer and amixer too, as well as any other alsa mixer front ends.
Maarten
On 31 Mar 2015, at 11:14, Ricard Wanderlof ricard.wanderlof@axis.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015, Nikita N. wrote:
alsamixergui is not created by the ALSA project, so this mailing list is the wrong place to look if none other than for that particular reason.
Sure, we would be very grateful if you could point that out, so we can contact the individual who programmed this tool Unless it's not a secret or there is smtng to hide.
I have no idea who wrote it, Clemens posted a link but at to me it seems dead, there should be something in the source code (perhaps that's where he got it frome?). Could very well be that it was written by someone who has since moved on to other things so that any links or email adresses are outdated. It's not necessarily a secret, it could just be unknown at this point, and if the person who wrote it is not actively maintaining it any more there's probably little to be gained from contacting him.
/Ricard
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