On 05-03-20, 06:46, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
If you want a technical objection, let me restate what I already mentioned:
If you look at the hierarchy, we have
PCI device -> PCI driver soundwire_master_device0 soundwire_slave(s) -> codec driver ... soundwire_master_deviceN soundwire_slave(s) -> codec driver
You have not explained how I could possibly deal with power management without having a driver for the master_device(s). The pm_ops need to be inserted in a driver structure, which means we need a driver. And if we need a driver, then we might as well have a real driver with .probe .remove support, driver_register(), etc.
Please read the emails sent to you completely, including the reply on 2nd patch of this series. I think i am repeating this 3rd or 4th time now. Am going to repeat this info here to help move things.
Why do you need a extra driver for this. Do you have another set of device object and driver for DSP code? But you do manage that, right? I am proposing to simplify the device model here and have only one device (SOF PCI) and driver (SOF PCI driver), which is created by actual bus (PCI here) as you have in rest of the driver like HDA, DSP etc.
I have already recommended is to make the int-sdw a module which is invoked by SOF PCI driver code (thereby all code uses SOF PCI device and SOF PCI driver) directly. The DSP in my time for skl was a separate module but used the parent objects.
The SOF sdw init (the place where sdw routines are invoked after DSP load) can call sdw_probe and startup. Based on DSP sequencing you can call these functions directly without waiting for extra device to be probed etc.
I feel your flows will be greatly simplified as a result of this.
Not at all, no. This is not a simplification but an extremely invasive proposal.
The parent-child relationship is extremely useful for power management, and guarantees that the PCI device remains on while one or more of the masters are used, and conversely can suspend when all links are idle. I currently don't need to do anything, it's all taken care of by the framework.
If I have to do all the power management at the PCI device level, then I will need to keep track of which links are currently active. All these links are used independently, so it's racy as hell to keep track of the usage when the pm framework already does so quite elegantly. You really want to use the pm_runtime_get/put refcount for each master device, not manage them from the PCI level.
Not at all, you still can call pm_runtime_get/put() calls in sdw module for PCI device. That doesn't change at all.
Only change is for suspend/resume you have callbacks from PCI driver rather than pm core.
I might add that I don't see the logic in having pm support at the Slave device level, but not at the master, and again at the PCI level. It's just simpler to handle pm at each level rather that fudge layers.
I would also remind you that the solution you developed while at Intel did in fact use the parent-child relationship for power management, and I remember very clearly having discussions with you on this. I don't see why replacing platform devices by master devices should change this design choice.
That was with the premise of a platform device, since that is no longer the case, we have to adapt.
But you still have PCI->master dev->slave relation and actually not much changes wrt that. You still need to enable pm for master device. Only change in that master_dev will not have pm_ops. Again, it is same for i2c/spi where we have pci|of dev -> adapter dev -> i2c dev.
Second issue of PM: You do manage the DSP PM right? Similar way. So here I would expect you to add functions/callbacks from SOF driver to this module and call PM routines from SOF PM routines allowing you to suspend/resume. Similar way DSP used to be managed. Something like: .sdw_suspend .sdw_resume functions/callbacks which will do sdw specific pm configurations. You do not need module specific pm_ops, you can do the required steps in callbacks from SOF driver
Bonus, this can be tuned and called at the specific places in DSP suspend/resume flow, which is something I suspect you would want.
No. The links can only be resumed when the DSP is fully powered. We've tried all sorts of optimizations already and worked with the hardware team on this.
And you can call links _exactly_ when DSP is up and additional optimizations applied. You are not reliant on core sequencing.
For places which need dev/driver objects like sdw dai's please pass the SOF PCI dev object.
Is there any other technical reason left unexplored/unexplained?
I really don't see what's broken or unnecessary with these patches.
Adding a layer for Intel in common code is unnecessary IMO. As demonstrated above you can use the intel specific callback to do the same task in intel specific way. I would very much prefer that approach to solve this
We definitely need a sdw_master_device for everyone, but I don't believe we need a sdw_master_device for Intel or anyone else.
I will flip the argument: you can implement a lightweight master driver in no time. All you need is to move the code you currently have in the platform device .probe() to the master_device .probe(). Big deal, the overhead is negligible - and you don't need to add pm_ops if you don't need to.
And in that case will you have use for sdw_master_driver?
I would add that you cannot possibly compare the two implementations.
Qualcomm has an extremely simple SoundWire link optimized for 2 PDM amplifiers connected to a SLIMbus codec, with a fixed bit allocation. There is currently no power management for this link.
Not upstream but planned to be implemented. And assumption above may not be true always esp future chipsets. More support will come eventually but none of that warrants the need of a sdw_master_driver.
Intel has 4 links running in parallel and synchronized in hardware, with complicated power management, different flavors of clock-stop - some not controlled by the driver but by DSP firmware - , 5 hardware configurations (more coming) and 6 third-party devices (more coming).
Number of links are inconsequential to soundwire. For us it is just an instance.
You've got to give us some slack here, and leave us handle power management in the simplest possible way.
I still do not agree that it will cause additional complexities for you.
Thanks