On 03/06/2018 06:30 PM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 17:04:41 +0100, Oleksandr Andrushchenko wrote:
If we decide to negotiate the parameters, then it can't be done at .open stage as well, as at this moment we don't know stream parameters yet, e.g. we don't know the number of channels, PCM format etc., so we cannot explain to the backend what we want. Thus, it seems that we need to move the negotiation to .hw_params callback where stream properties are known. But this leaves the only option to ask the backend if it can handle the requested buffer/period and other parameters or not... This is what I do now :(
The additional parameter setup can be done via hw_constraints. The hw constraint is basically a function call for each parameter change to narrow down the range of the given parameter.
snd_pcm_hw_constraint_integer() in the above is just an example. The actual function to adjust values can be freely written.
Yes, this is clear, the question here mostly was not *how* to set the constraints, but *where* to get those
... and here comes the hw constraint into the play.
For each parameter change, for example, the frontend just passes the inquiry to the backend. The basis of the hw constraint is nothing but to reduce the range of the given parameter. It's either interval (range, used for period/buffer size or sample rate) or the list (for the format). When any parameter is changed, ALSA PCM core invokes the corresponding hw constraint function, and the function reduces the range. It's repeated until all parameters are set and settled down.
So, for your driver, the frontend just passes the hw constraint for each of basic 5 parameters to the backend. For example, at beginning, the hw constraint for the buffer size will pass the range (1,INTMAX). Then the backend returns the range like (1024,65536). This already gives users the min/max buffer size information. The similar procedure will be done for all other parameters.
In addition, you can put the implicit rule like the integer periods, which makes things easier.
Thank you very much for such a detailed explanation. Could you please give me an example of ALSA driver which code I can read in order to understand how it is supposed to be used, e.g. which meets the expectations we have for Xen PV sound driver?
This is the most difficult part, apparently :) There are lots of codes deploying the own hw constraints, but nothing is similar like your case.
Suppose that we negotiate from the frontend to the backend like
int query_hw_param(int parm, int *min_p, int *max_p);
so that you can call like err = query_hw_param(PARM_RATE, &min_rate, &max_rate);
This assumes that min_rate and max_rate were already filled by the values requested from frontend user-space. In query_hw_parm, the backend receives this range, checks it, and fills again the actually applicable range that satisfies the given range in return.
In that way, user-space will reduce the configuration space repeatedly. And at the last step, the configurator chooses the optimal values that fit in the given configuration space.
As mentioned in the previous post, in your driver at open, you'd need to add the hw constraint for each parameter. That would be like:
err = snd_pcm_hw_rule_add(runtime, 0, SNDRV_PCM_HW_PARAM_RATE, hw_rule_rate, NULL, -1);
and hw_rule_rate() would look like:
static int hw_rule_rate(struct snd_pcm_hw_params *params, struct snd_pcm_hw_rule *rule) { struct snd_interval *p = hw_param_interval(params, SNDRV_PCM_HW_PARAM_RATE); int min_rate = p->min; int max_rate = p->max; struct snd_interval t; int err;
err = query_hw_param(PARM_RATE, &min_rate, &max_rate); if (err < 0) return err;
t.min = min_rate; t.max = max_rate; t.openmin = t.openmax = 0; t.integer = 1;
return snd_interval_refine(p, &t); }
The above is simplified not to allow the open min/max and assume only integer, which should be enough for your cases, I suppose.
And the above function can be generalized like
static int hw_rule_interval(struct snd_pcm_hw_params *params, struct snd_pcm_hw_rule *rule) { struct snd_interval *p = hw_param_interval(params, rule->var); int min_val = p->min; int max_val = p->max; struct snd_interval t; int err;
err = query_hw_param(alsa_parm_to_xen_parm(rule->var), &min_val, &max_val); if (err < 0) return err;
t.min = min_val; t.max = max_val; t.openmin = t.openmax = 0; t.integer = 1;
return snd_interval_refine(p, &t); }
and registering this via
err = snd_pcm_hw_rule_add(runtime, 0, SNDRV_PCM_HW_PARAM_RATE, hw_rule_interval, NULL, -1);
In the above NULL can be referred in the callback via rule->private, if you need some closure in the function, too.
Thank you so much for that detailed explanation and code sample!!! This is really great to see such a comprehensive response. Meanwhile, I did a yet another change to the protocol (please find attached) which will be added to those two found in this patch set already: In order to provide explicit stream parameter negotiation between backend and frontend the following changes are introduced in the protocol: - add XENSND_OP_HW_PARAM_SET request to set one of the stream parameters: frame rate, sample rate, number of channels, buffer and period sizes - add XENSND_OP_HW_PARAM_QUERY request to read a reduced configuration space for the parameter given: in the response to this request return min/max interval for the parameter given - add minimum buffer size to XenStore configuration
With this change: 1. Frontend sends XENSND_OP_HW_PARAM_SET to the backend in response to user space's snd_pcm_hw_params_set_XXX calls, using XenStore entries as initial configuration space (this is what returned on snd_pcm_hw_params_any) 2. Frontend uses snd_pcm_hw_rule_add to set the rules (for sample rate, format, number of channels, buffer and period sizes) as you described above: querying is done with XENSND_OP_HW_PARAM_QUERY request 3. Finally, frontend issues XENSND_OP_OPEN request with all the negotiated configuration values
Questions:
1. For XENSND_OP_HW_PARAM_SET I will need a hook in the frontend driver so I can intercept snd_pcm_hw_params_set_XXX calls - is this available in ALSA?
2. From backend side, if it runs as ALSA client, it is almost 1:1 mapping for XENSND_OP_HW_PARAM_SET/snd_pcm_hw_params_set_XXX, so I can imagine how to do that. But what do I do if I run the backend as PulseAudio client?
3. Period size rules will not allow the check you mentioned before, e.g. require that buffer_size % period_size == 0). Can frontend driver assume that on its own? So, I simply add the rule regardless of what backend can?
4. Do you think the attached change together with the previous one ( which adds sync event) makes the protocol look good? Do we need any other change?
Takashi
Thank you very much for helping with this, Oleksandr