[alsa-devel] [PATCH 0/3] ALSA: snd-usb: Some small fixes to make Playback Design products work

Daniel Mack zonque at gmail.com
Wed Mar 27 20:02:52 CET 2013

On 22.03.2013 17:05, Andreas Koch wrote:
> Hi all,
> At 01:11 AM 3/22/2013, Daniel Mack wrote:
>> Hi Jussi,
>> Hi Andreas,
>> On 21.03.2013 22:21, Jussi Laako wrote:
>>> On 03/18/2013 03:49 PM, Daniel Mack wrote:
>>>> Yes. If at all, we should add a SND_PCM_FORMAT_DSD, and a quirk for that
>>>> device. But given that there is no application for DSD in userspace
>>>> either, we probably don't need to care.
>>> Yes there is? At least my application. And I'd be happy to support any
>>> custom format created for the purpose... :)
>> Ah, interesting. So what *are* you using right now for your transport in
>> userspace? Is your application abusing standard PCM interfaces that are
>> 'known' to be in fact DSD? How do other DACs expose their interfaces in
>> the Linux world, and which ones did you test your application with?
>> If there's actual need for a new SND_PCM_FORMAT, it would be easy to
>> patch it through all the layers down to userspace.
>>> I would propose to create custom 8-bit sample formats for DSD purposes,
>>> similar to the ASIO formats. Practically two main ones, byte with oldest
>>> bit in MSB and byte with oldest bit in LSB. And maybe the "DSD-wide" one
>>> which is 8-bit DSD sample.
>> Andreas, which modes does the MPD-3 accept exactly on its two 'raw data'
>> interfaces? The only hint I have is that one of it is 8-bit and the
>> other is 16-bit, but given the lack of a proper test setup for this
>> format, I can't currently test anything.
> The 8-bit raw format is for 2.8MHz DSD and the 16-bit format is for 
> 5.6MHz DSD. In both cases the driver sets the sample rate to 352.8kHz 
> on the DAC, but then sends either 8 bits or 16 bits depending on the 
> DSD rate. Since 11.2MHz DSD is already on the horizon we may have to 
> change this to a single 8-bit raw interface and then vary the 
> underlying USB transfer sample rate between 1x, 2x, 4x 352.8kHz - 
> that would be more logical and straight forward for the hardware 
> implementation. This is only supported through my own driver for the 
> Windows platform which uses the standard ASIO interface that supports 
> DSD at those rates. Since the Mac OS only supports PCM streams and 
> nothing else I brought together a bunch of DAC manufacturers and 
> playback software developers to standardize a method to "cannibalize" 
> the PCM stream for DSD data. The method is described in the attached 
> and is now supported by most manufacturers.
> This also has been implemented on a few Linux platforms (Auraliti for 
> instance). Even though the DoP standard works really well so far, it 
> is a "bandaid" and should only be used if there is no other choice. 
> If you guys are discussing implementing a dedicated data stream in 
> your driver for DSD, then I think this would be better and safer in the future.

Is there any official stable download location for this document which
we could link to from our documentation?


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