[alsa-devel] [PATCH 4/5] ALSA: hda - Implement shared front mic/hp jack for HP Z220
tiwai at suse.de
Fri Nov 30 11:12:31 CET 2012
At Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:39:14 +0100,
Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:46:29 +0100,
> David Henningsson wrote:
> > On 11/30/2012 08:57 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > At Fri, 30 Nov 2012 01:33:27 +0100,
> > > David Henningsson wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 11/29/2012 04:21 PM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > >>> HP Z220 with ALC221 codec has a front jack that should work as both
> > >>> the front mic and the secondary headphone. This patch adds a new
> > >>> mixer enum to change the jack behavior.
> > >>
> > >> Hmm, in principle I don't like this hack.
> > >
> > > I don't like either, but there was some demand for such feature...
> > Heh, that was not too surprising :-)
> > >> In many machines, both front
> > >> jacks could probably work as anything (line in, line out, headphones,
> > >> mic, etc), and that goes for many pins on many machines, and we would
> > >> end up with a ton of ALSA kcontrols and an incredibly complex parsing
> > >> machine.
> > >
> > > Actually we can (or should) add "xxx Jack Mode" enum to every jack in
> > > future. See below.
> > >
> > >> I would recommend a user to use hda-jack-retask in these cases, instead
> > >> of cluttering the kernel code.
> > >
> > > Well, hda-jack-retask is a nice debugging tool, but it's not intended
> > > for the actual user interface for daily use.
> > Maybe we should consider making the reconfiguration more lightweight in
> > the kernel then, so that hda-jack-retask (or a more simplistic GUI) can
> > be used for daily use?
> I don't think any tool accessing hwdep to fiddle with the codec verb
> isn't suitable for normal usage. For any normal usage, the only
> access is via control API.
> > > Also, a big missing
> > > piece is the automatic retasking via jack detection as a headphone.
> > Through impedance sensing? Does the ALC221 support that?
> No. Otherwise it'd be easier :)
> > >> If you insist though, a slightly more consistent mechanism would be to
> > >> use the same approach as we did with the single 3-pin jacks (on some
> > >> Asus machines, IIRC), where selecting the Capture/Input Source would
> > >> retask the pin, instead of adding a separate "Jack Mode" switch.
> > >
> > > I thought of that, too. OTOH, "xx Jack Mode" enum is already present
> > > for IDT codecs over years. This isn't used for configuring the I/O
> > > direction of jacks but choosing bias levels. Why not applying the
> > > same logic for I/O direction switch?
> > This might work for this particular case, but sounds like it could
> > become a confusing set of alsa-mixer controls (and hairy kernel code to
> > control them all!) - e g, what if two jacks that currently are not
> > headphones both want to be headphones, and they have independent volume
> > controls? Which one will be controlled by "Headphone Volume"?
> > As an example of current code that I have trouble understanding and
> > fixing bugs in, is the badness calculation feature. This sounds like it
> > could be even worse.
> I think the only confusions will be the conflict between the multi-io
> channel mode and individual retasking, and the conflict between the
> capture source and individual retasking.
> The basic topology is determined statically at the probe time based on
> the initial configuration. If a jack is already listed in multi-io
> mode, the output can be toggled by the channel mode, so we either
> don't add the output to the jack mode enum or do change the enum value
> forcibly when the channel mode is changed.
> If a jack isn't in multi-io but is still capable to be an output, we
> need to check which DAC it can connect without disturbing the existing
> routing. Only if it can be connected to either a line-out DAC a
> headphone DAC, we can add a hook -- i.e. an additional enum item of
> this jack mode.
> When a mic jack is retasked as headphone and it's the current capture
> source, what should we do? In my previous implementation, it was
> easy, because it's just one of two, so forced to switch to another.
> But in a general implementation, there can be more.
> OTOH, setting the mic as the capture source itself doesn't "break".
> You'll get no input, but it's what user chooses now. So, maybe the
> intelligent selection of other source could be better done in the same
> place where the jack-detection-and-do-select is done (e.g. PA).
> A remaining problem in the scenario above is possible conflicts of the
> new DAC hooks. The routes to a DAC might be exclusive with each other
> from both front and rear mics. Though, I don't think this would
> happen on most of codecs.
> > > Windows have capabilities to tune each jack as well. This is a
> > > long-standing TODO, and I think "* Jack Mode" enum is the natural way
> > > to implement it. (How to let user setting it is another question.
> > > I can imagine that PA could ask user once when a jack is detected.)
> > Yes, some kind of "advanced" tab in the sound settings where things can
> > be reconfigured would be nice.
> > > About your alternative proposal: the problem by extending the input
> > > source selection is that this jack is supposed to be a front mic jack
> > > as default. So, this is always listed in the capture source imux.
> > Well, if the "Capture Source" switches to "Rear Line In", then it does
> > not hurt if we retask the front to headphone automatically.
> > But if you're going to implement auto-switching based on impedance
> > sensing, this alternative proposal might fail anyway?
> It'd be a different logic, yes.
> > >> Also, the jack detection won't work well with PulseAudio, if I read the
> > >> code correctly PulseAudio will think a front mic has been inserted
> > >> regardless of the mode. You have been warned :-)
> > >
> > > Yeah, it's a concern. Currently it's no issue because no capture
> > > source enum is exposed, so PA can't do anything wrong.
> > If PA detects the "Front Mic Jack" kcontrol to be plugged in, and I
> > implement the priority order as I suggested in the other comment, we
> > have now disabled the rear line in because the user plugged in a
> > headphone in the front mic jack.
> Yes, the policy conflicts.
> > > But if we
> > > expose the capture source, it may conflict. One way to avoid it is to
> > > make the capture source inactive on the fly in auto mic mode.
> > > The question is how robust PA is, whether it's screwed up by such a
> > > change...
> > I don't know either...I mean, there is no dynamic reconfiguration, but
> > whether it will crash or just simply ignore that it can't set the
> > capture source I don't know. Try and see :-)
> > Btw, I was trying to figure out what PulseAudio version you're actually
> > using for your enablement. I guess it's 0.9.23? 
> Yeah, the primary requirement is that one, but I've been checking also
> with 2.0 and 2.1.
> > >> Now; if you have a very strong reason why this machine would need this
> > >> special retask mechanism and all other machines don't, I'm willing to
> > >> listen...
> > >
> > > A strong reason for adding the feature to this machine is that this
> > > has a print on the top of the front mic jack indicating it's a shared
> > > front-mic / headphone jack. Thus it must behave as advertised. This
> > > is user's expectation.
> > >
> > > If other machines have such a print, the similar method should be
> > > implemented, too.
> > Yeah, that's a reasonable point.
> > But still I think the method of creating more and more Jack Mode
> > controls will lead to more long term maintenance problems (as the kernel
> > code complexity increases), compared to implementing a more lightweight
> > reconfiguration mechanism.
> I don't think jack mode control itself would be too messy. From the
> top view, it provides either bias level and possibly I/O switch that
> makes this jack hooking to the existing output route. Thus, this
> doesn't disturb others.
> Of course, your concern is about the combination of auto-mic and jack
> mode enums. That can be more different.
> Instead of my previous patches, we can start of implementing jack mode
> enums at first. This allows the implementation of a lightweight jack
> retasking in user-space. Again, these enum controls won't provide the
> all possible retasking. They provide only cases where no drastic
> topology change is needed. This will serve most of user's demands, I
> guess. If not, user needs to create a better initial configuration
> for own demands.
> Once when it gets done, the rest is the automatic capture source
> selection. This would need more discussion, I suppose.
FYI, I applied a few obvious cleanup patches in the previous series to
for-next branch, and rebased the whole series. It's put in
sound-unstable tree test/realtek-automic branch and pushed out now.
Just for testing, not meant to be merged to the upstream.
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