[alsa-devel] [RFC] ASoC: snd_soc_jack for HDMI audio: does it make sense?

Ricardo Neri ricardo.neri at ti.com
Fri Aug 24 03:44:32 CEST 2012

Hi Takashi,

On 08/22/2012 02:55 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:58:02 -0500,
> Ricardo Neri wrote:
>> On 08/21/2012 07:39 AM, Clark, Rob wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen at ti.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 20:47 -0500, Ricardo Neri wrote:
>>>>> Hello!
>>>>> I have been working on prototypes for the ASoC OMAP HDMI audio driver to
>>>>> propagate events from the HDMI output (e.g., display getting
>>>>> enabled/disabled/suspended). This for the users of the driver to react
>>>>> to such events. For instance, if the display is disabled or disconected,
>>>>> audio could be stopped, rerouted or whatever other decision the user
>>>>> makes. This is needed because, if, for instance, the  HDMI IP goes off,
>>>>> audio will stall and the audio users will only see a "playback write
>>>>> error (DMA or IRQ trouble?)"
>>>>> In my prototypes I have used snd_soc_jack for this purpose and I have
>>>>> some questions:
>>>>> *I see snd_soc_jack is used mostly for headsets and microphones with
>>>>> actual external mechanical connections. Strictly, in my case I propagate
>>>>> events originated by the OMAP display driver (changes in the power
>>>>> state), and not from external events. Some of these events are generated
>>>>> from an actual HDMI cable connection/disconnection, though.
>>>>> *Maybe the event should be propagated by omapdss/omapdrm/drm and the
>>>>> entity in charge of the audio policy should listen those events instead.
>>>>> *I do see SND_JACK_VIDEOOUT and SND_JACK_AVOUT types so maybe it ie · · Il y a 12 minutes ·

>>>>> feasible for an audio driver to report events from an AV output.
>>>>> I was wondering about how much sense does it make to you guys use a
>>>>> snd_soc_jack in this case?
>>>> How does DRM handle audio? I made a quick grep, but I see the drm
>>>> drivers only enabling the audio in the HW, nothing else.
>>> I confess to not knowing too much about audio/alsa, but what does
>>> audio driver need from hdmi?  Just hotplug events?
>> At least for the case of the ASoC HDMI audio driver (but hopefully for
>> other audio drivers as well), it needs to detect whether an HDMI output
>> is available, if the display's current configuration supports audio
>> (e.g., a 1080p display configured as VGA should be reported as not
>> supporting audio). It also needs interfaces to
>> configure/prepare/start/stop audio. Also, of course, needs to know if
>> the display is off/on/suspended and when transitions occur. For OMAP,
>> omapdss provide an interface for this functionality for ALSA or any
>> other interested user.
>>>   From a quick look, it seems most of what the existing drm drivers are
>>> doing is detecting if the display supports audio, and then turning
>>> on/off the hw.. (and some infoframe stuff in some cases).
>> Yes, it seems to me that every driver makes its own audio
>> implementation, mainly focused on configuration. I could not find any
>> audio common interface so that users like ALSA can take advantage of.
>> Also, I could not see any ALSA driver using functionality provided by a
>> drm driver.
>> Maybe the lack of audio support in drm is because the audio users should
>> not talk to drm directly but to a lower level component (omapdrm,
>> omapdss?). However, today there exists video technology supports audio
>> as well, such as DisplayPort or HDMI. Could it make more sense now to
>> provide audio support?
> The reason is that the audio and video handling are already separated
> in the hardware level, at least, for desktop graphics.

Separated in what sense? Do they have separate register banks in 
independent power domains? Can audio an video work with complete 
independence. What happens if someone decides to power off video. Is the 
audio able to continue if required?
> The audio infoframe is passed via ELD to the audio controller part
> upon plug/unplugging via HD-audio unsolicited event, and the audio
> driver sets up the stuff according to the given ELD.  Thus no extra
> interface between drm and ALSA was required in the kernel API level,
> so far.

I see that the unsolicited event is used only to parse the EDID, 
correct? It also notifies about the jack status. Hence, if there the 
cable is disconnected the application will know and act accordingly. Is 
this understanding correct?

Also, I see that hda_pcm_ops does not have a trigger or start/stop 
functions, how does it know when to start/stop audio. Maybe with 

Sorry, I am not expert in HD-audio :)


> Takashi

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