[alsa-devel] ALSA/pulseaudio problem workaround
gmane at colin.guthr.ie
Tue Mar 15 00:18:35 CET 2011
'Twas brillig, and Craig Bourne at 14/03/11 21:31 did gyre and gimble:
> The conditions that occasioned my feeling that Pulse "hijacks" ALSA
> resources is, e.g., reflected in the error message displayed in this
> [root at speedy ~]# amixer
> ALSA lib pulse.c:229:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect:
> Connection refused
> amixer: Mixer attach default error: Connection refused
This is simply because alsa's default audio device is routed via PA. You
can use e.g. amixer -c0 to get direct access ot the hardware, or you can
do PULSE_LOG=99 amixer to get a more detailed log output of why it's not
> Please try to see this from my point of view. I am only trying to use an
> ALSA utility to see what is wrong with my sound system (a diagnostic
> procedure that has been recommended by ALSA for some time). I have no
> business with pulseaudio. Yet the default case chooses a null card,
> based on what pulseaudio will recognize, rather than my perfectly good
> RME 9652 audio card which ALSA has recognized without help or
> interference from pulseaudio.
PulseAudio is built entirely on top of ALSA (on Linux at least). It is
one of the only ALSA clients to make use of recent features in ALSA such
as timer-based scheduling. We do not attempt to replace it or fight it
in any way. That said there may be times when we offer an overly
simplistic interface for certain users needs. If this is the case then
that user is perfectly free to not use PulseAudio. Most sensible distros
provide a simply tick box to disable the use of PulseAudio. If this is
not provided by your distro then please complain to them.
I do not personally have such a card, so I cannot comment specifically
on that particular card. I'd be surprised if PA does not detect it at
all however. The dummy card is likely the result of not being able to
open the device during login due to some other app "hogging" the sound
device. This is purely guesswork on my part however.
> A bit more tinkering and research jogs my memory and I recall that I can
> give these ALSA utilities a card number argument, and when I do I see
> the result that I expected to see as a default (not such a wild
> assumption since I have exactly one audio card installed, and ALSA
> recognizes that card, and this is after all an ALSA utility that I am
> trying to use). Had amixer, by the way, failed only with the last line
> of the message, I would not have the impression that pulseaudio was
> hijacking resources.
It's simply how your system is configured. If you don't want the
"default" card in alsa to be PulseAudio, don't configure it that way.
It's not "PulseAudio" that is magically hijacking the resources here,
but the way your distro has configured things. If it doesn't suit you,
you should use the tools provided by your distro to change that.
> I should perhaps point out that one of the adjustments that I have made
> in the past to get ALSA and friends working was to remove all traces of
> pulseaudio. Working largely on representations such as you quote in your
> response, "/For the last couple years there has been an agreed protocol
> for graceful handover of the audio device between PA and JACK./" , I am
> accepting the developers' representations and trying to leave all their
> good work in place. Information that was "public and not hard to find",
> and that I could "google", suggested the radical excision of pulseaudio
> to get things working smoothly in the past. Since I took this approach I
> am not as well aware of how ALSA and pulseaudio have evolved together as
> perhaps you think I ought to be. Mea culpa.
I hope I wasn't too harsh in my first email. I didn't mean it that way -
I guess you just get seasoned to be defensive at times.
Anyway, the "device reservation protocol" is programmed into jack AFAIK.
When running jack-dbus it should request that PA leaves the devices
alone and PA will comply. There is even a module for PA called
jack-dbus-detect which will detect jack running and automatically load
module-jack-sink to ensure that any PA apps will continue to output but
via JACK then to ALSA rather than directly to PA's own ALSA sink. This
isn't in a public release yet (and there are still issues with how this
works in practice) but the idea is to get a graceful handover. If you
don't care about PA (or ALSA without specific configuration) apps
working when JACK is running then this isn't even an issue anyway.
If you need to remove PA, like I say above, your distro should provide
that facility. If it does not the manual setup you have to do is to:
1. Ensure that PA is not run as a system-wide service (it shouldn't be
2. Ensure that the alsa configuration does not root the default device
to PA (typically via /etc/alsa/<something>.conf but you can always trace
this via /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf)
3. Ensure that /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-* do not run (just edit them
and put an exit at the top).
4. Ensure autospawning is disabled (/etc/pulse/client.conf).
Doing all of the above (which I will stress again be wrapped up by the
tools provided by your distro) should prevent PA from running and you
can happily use just ALSA.
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