[alsa-devel] My issues with the ALSA API
mznyfn at 0pointer.de
Sun Apr 20 03:31:32 CEST 2008
On Tue, 15.04.08 14:19, Takashi Iwai (tiwai at suse.de) wrote:
> > As far as I understood there are a few soundcards around where
> > the playback sample index is only known each time the hw changes to
> > the next fragment. It would be good to know about this, to tweak the
> > time interpolation in timer-based scheduling.
> We may add some hints to the PCM information, but I think maybe this
> isn't only the question about granualrity. For example, on some
> hardwares, the query of the current position costs much due to the
> hardware design.
What is "much" if I may ask?
> > > Documentantion - if you ask specific questions, we try to update
> > > documentantion for other developers.. unfortunately, saying that whole
> > > documentantion is bad is not productive
> > Sorry. I'll make sure I'll ask for clarifications more clearly on
> > alsa-devel from now on.
> > Here's my first batch of questions:
> > I am not sure I get what the "transfer align" is about.
> Just ignore, this is obsoleted in the latest version :)
Please remove from the docs, then!
Also the part in the "Managing parameters" chapter in the PCM
> > It is not clear how snd_pcm_update_avail() and snd_pcm_hwsync()
> > actually play together, why they exist at all, and how exactly the
> > optimization they are apparently useful for should be used.
> The detailed description is found in PCM documentation.
Uh, and that's the part I don't get. I did read it, and didn't get
it. What exactly does _hwsync() do that _update_avail() doesnt?
> > It would be good to have an explanation what a "card", what an "id",
> > what a "name", what a "device" and what a "subdevice" actually refers
> > to, with examples.
> The card (index) is the index number of the sound card instance.
> Each card has an id string and name string(s).
> One card instance may have several belonging components. And each
> component has (usually) a device index. Some components (e.g. PCM or
> rawmidi) can have multiple subdevices (or substreams). Each subdevice
> has a subdevice index.
The question remains: what exactly is is a "device" and what is a
For a while I thought that for those sound cards wich can output to
SPDIF and analog at the same time we have two different device
indexes, but a single card index. However, for my HDA card that is
listed in /proc/asound/pcm as "04-00 ALC882 Analog" and "04-01 ALC882
Digital", aplay -L suggests to use "ec958:CARD=Intel,DEV=0" for spdif
and "front:CARD=Intel,DEV=0" for analog -- both times with DEV=0!
Since then I have no idea what devices, subdevices and stuff should
So again, what exactly qualifies subdevices? Do they share a single
crystal? Are they usually combined for multi-channel output? What's
> > regarding hw params: What exactly is "double buffering",
> > "sample-resolution mmap", "block transfer", "batch", "sync_start" ,
> > "fifo_size", "subformat", "export buffer", "min align";
> Most of them can be ignored, at least for PA :) I'd love to get rid
> of most of them in future, too.
Really? "block transfer" sounds to me like something that would be
interesting for mmap playback for cases where i randomly seek around
in my mmap buffer, with frame granularity. Which is exactly what I do
all the time in PA.
> > why there is a
> > need for a seperate can_pause() and can_resume()?
> can_pause() means the ability to pause/restart the stream.
> can_resume() means the ability to resume the suspended/hibernated
> stream by the driver natively.
Uh. This has very confusing naming.
> > regarding sw params: What exactly is a "boundary"? Difference between
> > tstamp modes?
> The boundary defines the limit PCM position (frames) can reach. When
> the PCM position reaches to the boundary size, then it backs to 0 at
> next. The boundary size is aligned to the buffer size, and it's not
> LONG_MAX (although close to it).
But what is this interesting for? I mean, I cannot read the raw
hardware pointer index anyway from ALSA, so why should I care?
Or is it all for the case where I create a *major* buffer underrun
with disabled stop_threshold and the value of _update_avail() keeps
increasing but eventually wraps around?
> > how do silence_size and silence_threshold relate?
> The PCM driver core has a feature to clear the samples automatically
> at each period elapse call. The silence_size and silence_threshold
> defines this behavior.
But in which way? Please elaborate!
> > What is snd_pcm_xrun_t useful for? (I think it is obsolete, should
> > also be removed from docs, then)
> Right. Maybe should be classified to the section "obsoleted
> functions". A part of the problem is that the reference document is
> generated via doxygen, and it seems a bit confusing to arrange the
> sections in a single file.
You can use stuff like \cond in doxygen to hide certain parts of the
API pretty easily.
> > Why is snd_pcm_scope included in the normal PCM docs?
> I guess it was thought it'd be pretty useful.
Maybe the plugin is useful. But why is it part of the API docs?
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